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    #11
    Skill for skill Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardly I was completely overrated 'I honestly do not think it was that great of a fight'.

    There have been by far greater heavyweight domestic match ups, than Clarke vs Wardly 'That have happened over the past decade'.

    Fights such as Derek Chisora vs David Haye, Toney Bellew vs David Haye I, Derek Chisora vs Dillian Whyte I & II 'Those fights were all by far superior fights'.

    Although David Haye was way outside his peak vs Tony Bellew I 'The courage and conditioning Haye displayed in that fight, was extremely impressive. On that night, David Haye may have lost the boxing match but? He won the fight, due to the resolve and courage he had to show fighting on while injured'.

    Note: For me, David Haye should of retired after fighting Toney Bellew I 'In that fight David Haye showed, that on a innate level he was a gladiator of the highest boxing order. Everyone honest man who watched the fight, had to give David Haye respect and credit for his efforts.

    At during that point in his career, astonishingly certain folk in the boxing community were questioning his gladiatorial attitude, they were questioning the fighter who became only the second sentient being in history to move up from the Cruiserweight Division and became a Heavyweight World Champion. In a fight vs Nikola Valuev were David Haye had to overcome a 7 stone weight differential'.

    I am still annoyed that Toney Bellew beat David Haye, but wow? That first fight, the build up and the dramatism on fight night was awesome.

    To conclude: Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora was a greater domestic heavyweight match up than Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardly. I have analysed the statistics of Joyce vs Chisora, and Joe Joyce thew a total of 835 punches, while Derek Chisora threw 564 punches. That is a highly impressive fight intensity and work rate from both fighters, and we must also factor in that this was a 10 round fight 'If the fight would been a 12 round fight, then the statistics highly likely most certainly would of increased.

    Only really Oleksandr Uysk is matching Joe Joyce's endurance levels and work rate 'And Chisora is way outside his peak, is still performing at a high level in certain aspects of his game when? You compare him to other Heavyweight fighters'.

    Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardly in terms of passion, I would say was a solid fight 'But I do think many people have overrated the actual action of the fight. This is most likely just a narrative that certain folk in the boxing community want to promote'.

    Both fighters need to improve there overall game, if they want to become genuine threats on the World stage etc.

    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 08-22-2024, 03:10 PM.

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      #12
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

      Yeah Joyce against the winner is a good shout.
      I'm assuming Warren is looking to feed Joyce to an up-and-comer. Or maybe he'll hold off until AJ/Dubois. If Dubois loses, maybe a Joyce/Dubois rematch.

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        #13
        Originally posted by kiaba360 View Post

        I'm assuming Warren is looking to feed Joyce to an up-and-comer. Or maybe he'll hold off until AJ/Dubois. If Dubois loses, maybe a Joyce/Dubois rematch.
        Had he beat Chisora, I think the rematch would’ve been a lot more likely. That loss pushes him right back to domestic level I think.

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          #14
          Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

          Had he beat Chisora, I think the rematch would’ve been a lot more likely. That loss pushes him right back to domestic level I think.
          Joyce's losses have come at very inopportune times. He's in a precarious situation.


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            #15
            Originally posted by kiaba360 View Post

            Joyce's losses have come at very inopportune times. He's in a precarious situation.

            Yeah it’s a long road back for him. That loss to Zhang completely ruined him. He’s never looked the same fighter.

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              #16
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

              Yeah it’s a long road back for him. That loss to Zhang completely ruined him. He’s never looked the same fighter.
              Lost his title opportunity vs Zhang, then potentially lost his world-level status vs. Chisora. He seems like such a nice guy, so I do sympathize with him. I sort of agree with Chisora when he said that Boxing isn't for Joyce anymore. I think Zhang broke more than his punch resistance.




              Last edited by kiaba360; 08-24-2024, 09:24 AM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by kiaba360 View Post

                Lost his title opportunity vs Zhang, then potentially lost his world-level status vs. Chisora. He seems like such a nice guy, so I do sympathize with him. I sort of agree with Chisora when he said that Boxing isn't for Joyce anymore. I think Zhang broke more than his punch resistance.



                Yeah Zhang completely destroyed his confidence. He looks like a rabbit in the headlights between the ropes now.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

                  Yeah Zhang completely destroyed his confidence. He looks like a rabbit in the headlights between the ropes now.
                  I remember watching an interview of his, before the Kash Ali fight iirc. He was asked about potentially rematching Zhang, and his uncomfortable response was cause for concern. I don't think he believes he can beat Zhang anymore. There's a certain degree of blind confidence that a fighter must have when stepping in the ring. "Juggernaut" Joyce is no more. Chisora's career has lasted so long because he hasn't lost that kernel of blind self-belief.


                  Last edited by kiaba360; 08-25-2024, 08:19 AM.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by kiaba360 View Post

                    I remember watching an interview of his, before the Kash Ali fight iirc. He was asked about potentially rematching Zhang, and his uncomfortable response was cause for concern. I don't think he believes he can beat Zhang anymore. There's a certain degree of blind confidence that a fighter must have when stepping in the ring. "Juggernaut" Joyce is no more. Chisora's career has lasted so long because he hasn't lost that kernel of blind self-belief.

                    Yeah Joyce looks like a sitting duck now. As you said the “Juggernaut” version is no more.

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