Comments Thread For: Promoter Warren open to matching Moses Itauma with Charles Martin

[billeau2]

I mean the way there hyping the kid up I don't think Joyce would be a step to far. I think Joyce has got older and even slower than he was and I don't think hes the wall he once was either. I think that's been cracked since the Zhang fights and now he's getting hurt and put over by chisora who himself is a gatekeeper at heavyweight. But I agree Martin is a good step and the right step and if he puts him over in a couple rounds then i think he's ready for a Joyce or a Whyte afterwards

Nice post. Joyce can still overwhelm... He just cannot make any adjustments and does not have the experience to protect himself. Moses could run into problems, his lack of experience could cause him to react like Joyces earlier opponents did, many of whom were young and had not developed a full set of tools yet, for example Dubois who would easily handle Joyce now. I personally do not think Moses would falter... He has amazing poise and instinct for a young fighter. Again, I come at this from a different perspective, as a martial artist. But I could see no harm having Moses fight everyone! and just telling him, don't take a loss to heart... earn while you learn! If he was overwhelmed by Joyce, stop the fight and go back to the drawing board. But that is just me lol.

[billeau2]

DDD and Parker are levels higher imo from the Anderson’s of the world
Martin can fight and has power but not sure what’s left in that tank
Just want Moses to get a guy to challenge him somewhat

I don't pretend to know... Jared just does not fight enough and that is the problem see? You and I should be able to have a lot more to look at from Jared! On the one hand? Anderson showed some heart (if it did not destroy him), has a really nice jab, and shows the potential for more to come... I don't see him far from Dubois and Parker with the caveat he "jells," puts it together in a fight to come. I do grant you that the experience of Parker and Dubois makes them higher... I just do not think Jared is far behind, or, he has fallen because of the Bakole fight, in which case he is at the level of Martin.

[MulaKO]

I don't pretend to know... Jared just does not fight enough and that is the problem see? You and I should be able to have a lot more to look at from Jared! On the one hand? Anderson showed some heart (if it did not destroy him), has a really nice jab, and shows the potential for more to come... I don't see him far from Dubois and Parker with the caveat he "jells," puts it together in a fight to come. I do grant you that the experience of Parker and Dubois makes them higher... I just do not think Jared is far behind, or, he has fallen because of the Bakole fight, in which case he is at the level of Martin.

Sorry but I never viewed him like that
Anderson to me was a farce and will always be reason why the Bobfather moved him extremely slow

[billeau2]

Sorry but I never viewed him like that
Anderson to me was a farce and will always be reason why the Bobfather moved him extremely slow

But Satanic Bob moves everyone slow. What is it about Anderson? I always respect your takes, what do you see that informs your POV? Maybe I am missing something. I mean I wouldn't think much of him compared to Ituema, But Moses is quite special. Then again so was Wardley until he fell in love with his power... Torres anybody?

[MulaKO]

But Satanic Bob moves everyone slow. What is it about Anderson? I always respect your takes, what do you see that informs your POV? Maybe I am missing something. I mean I wouldn't think much of him compared to Ituema, But Moses is quite special. Then again so was Wardley until he fell in love with his power... Torres anybody?

Perfect example is Torres
He will not get any better the way they moving him and say what you will about Bobfather but when he has a blue chip you can tell
To me these guys are all
fluffers for his wallet
Jared goes back straight leaving his chin exposed in every fight
His power is very questionable
Believes his own hype instead of learning from his mistakes
Bakole just cemented what I always knew

[MulaKO]

But Satanic Bob moves everyone slow. What is it about Anderson? I always respect your takes, what do you see that informs your POV? Maybe I am missing something. I mean I wouldn't think much of him compared to Ituema, But Moses is quite special. Then again so was Wardley until he fell in love with his power... Torres anybody?

And I’ll add that his physical attributes won’t save him since his skill level doesn’t match up
Terrible footwork imo

[billeau2]

Perfect example is Torres
He will not get any better the way they moving him and say what you will about Bobfather but when he has a blue chip you can tell
To me these guys are all
fluffers for his wallet
Jared goes back straight leaving his chin exposed in every fight
His power is very questionable
Believes his own hype instead of learning from his mistakes
Bakole just cemented what I always knew

If Torres was smart he would go and hire Chisora to promote him! You are absolutely right about Torres. He needs to fight fight and fight! Like Derick!! MulaKO you know how I feel about Satanic Bob... Amen.

Lets talk jared: Yes he needs someone to lace him up. Fighters are no longer taught angles, slips, distance... He is one of many who do not have the skills yet. His power is unknown IMO. But I do think he has power. But no way he learns to apply it in the amateur paradigm of step step, jab, step step... Trainers were complaining about this training in the 1800's! Yes in a 3 round fight counting punches you do things a certain way... Jab being the greater percentage shot to score and all... So you do not think he is very coachable? I can see your point. He has said some silly things that give one insight into his thinking.

So you were on the Bakole train from the get go? Good for you! It took me a bit. When i saw him against the fight before Jared I was still evaluating. I am impressed, he plans his attacks, sets them up. I see a Liston like finishing quality and he knows how to use his weight.

[MulaKO]

If Torres was smart he would go and hire Chisora to promote him! You are absolutely right about Torres. He needs to fight fight and fight! Like Derick!! MulaKO you know how I feel about Satanic Bob... Amen.

Lets talk jared: Yes he needs someone to lace him up. Fighters are no longer taught angles, slips, distance... He is one of many who do not have the skills yet. His power is unknown IMO. But I do think he has power. But no way he learns to apply it in the amateur paradigm of step step, jab, step step... Trainers were complaining about this training in the 1800's! Yes in a 3 round fight counting punches you do things a certain way... Jab being the greater percentage shot to score and all... So you do not think he is very coachable? I can see your point. He has said some silly things that give one insight into his thinking.

So you were on the Bakole train from the get go? Good for you! It took me a bit. When i saw him against the fight before Jared I was still evaluating. I am impressed, he plans his attacks, sets them up. I see a Liston like finishing quality and he knows how to use his weight.

Yes in a 3 round fight counting punches you do things a certain way...

You described him to a tee

[Boxing2695]

Nice post. Joyce can still overwhelm... He just cannot make any adjustments and does not have the experience to protect himself. Moses could run into problems, his lack of experience could cause him to react like Joyces earlier opponents did, many of whom were young and had not developed a full set of tools yet, for example Dubois who would easily handle Joyce now. I personally do not think Moses would falter... He has amazing poise and instinct for a young fighter. Again, I come at this from a different perspective, as a martial artist. But I could see no harm having Moses fight everyone! and just telling him, don't take a loss to heart... earn while you learn! If he was overwhelmed by Joyce, stop the fight and go back to the drawing board. But that is just me lol.

Oh yeah I get that. And DDD since the Joyce fight has come on leaps and bounds as a fighter, but I do think itauma looks alot better than dubois did on the come up. He's alot more poised and technically alot better and Joyce isn't the fighter he was when he fought dubois. Joyce was at his peak pretty much then as a pro but this version of Joyce is alot more shop worn and more vulnerable then he's ever been and I just think if they think itauma is that special which there saying he is then I think you gamble with it because id back him to beat Joyce possibly even stop him/retire him

[billeau2]

Oh yeah I get that. And DDD since the Joyce fight has come on leaps and bounds as a fighter, but I do think itauma looks alot better than dubois did on the come up. He's alot more poised and technically alot better and Joyce isn't the fighter he was when he fought dubois. Joyce was at his peak pretty much then as a pro but this version of Joyce is alot more shop worn and more vulnerable then he's ever been and I just think if they think itauma is that special which there saying he is then I think you gamble with it because id back him to beat Joyce possibly even stop him/retire him

Totally agree