Terry Norris vs Luis Santana 1 and 2

[mrbig1]

Dogs, have you guys ever seen these 2 fights. Terry Norris was DQ for a rabbit punch. The punch was not that hard but they carried Santana out on a stretcher. Fight #2 Once again Terry is winning. He hit Santana after the bell. That was a good shot but once again they had to carry Santana out on a stretcher. Santana is a straight up little *****. That is just unreal. How can they let Santana get away with that. Peace.

[Willie Pep 229]

I'm pretty sure I saw the fights but don't really remember the particulars.

I have a better memory of the rabbit punch incident and I do remember thinking this does smell like three day old fish. Santana was down and up and down again and the stretcher seemed more drama queen than safety.

With that said, in the abstract, it can become frustrating to a fighter if a referee allows an opponent to keep fouling and sometimes quiting is the only solution.

I for one (maybe the only one) just shrugged and said 'I don't blame him' when Tyson bit Holyfield's ear. Holyfield's constant head butting was beginning to annoy me as well. Lol. It was ruining the fight.

I never thought Norris to be a gracious fighter; Santana's antics aside Terry Norris wasn't a poster child for clean boxing.

So I ask, was Norris getting points deducted or just warned; were the fouls going unpunished/unchecked?

P.S. In direct reply to your question, "How can they . . . . ." of course this could happen, it's boxing.

Physicists like to say 'in an infinite universe everything that can happen will eventually happen." I say, the universe is running behind boxing, because whatever it is, in boxing, it probably already happened.

[JAB5239]

I'm pretty sure I saw the fights but don't really remember the particulars.

I have a better memory of the rabbit punch incident and I do remember thinking this does smell like three day old fish. Santana was down and up and down again and the stretcher seemed more drama queen than safety.

With that said, in the abstract, it can become frustrating to a fighter if a referee allows an opponent to keep fouling and sometimes quiting is the only solution.

I for one (maybe the only one) just shrugged and said 'I don't blame him' when Tyson bit Holyfield's ear. Holyfield's constant head butting was beginning to annoy me as well. Lol. It was ruining the fight.

I never thought Norris to be a gracious fighter; Santana's antics aside Terry Norris wasn't a poster child for clean boxing.

So I ask, was Norris getting points deducted or just warned; were the fouls going unpunished/unchecked?

P.S. In direct reply to your question, "How can they . . . . ." of course this could happen, it's boxing.

Physicists like to say 'in an infinite universe everything that can happen will eventually happen." I say, the universe is running behind boxing, because whatever it is, in boxing, it probably already happened.

I vaguely remember these fights. What I remember is the bad acting by Santana to get out of the beatings he was getting. Was there more fouling beforehand? I don't recall. What I do know is Norris, for all his faults was miles ahead in skills.

[markusmod]

I vaguely remember these fights. What I remember is the bad acting by Santana to get out of the beatings he was getting. Was there more fouling beforehand? I don't recall. What I do know is Norris, for all his faults was miles ahead in skills.

I felt the same way.

[mrbig1]

Do yourself a favor and watch both fights. It's sad.

[JAB5239]

I just rewatched the first fight. Norris certainly fouled Santana, but to me it didn't look intentional, nor was it a hard punch. Santana should be ashamed for his hatchet acting job. What I'm not clear on is how this became a disqualification. At one point Halperin, who I believe knew Santana was faking told him if he didn't get up and continue he would lose by knockout. So who decided on the disqualification? At worst it should have been declared a no contest.

[mrbig1]

I just rewatched the first fight. Norris certainly fouled Santana, but to me it didn't look intentional, nor was it a hard punch. Santana should be ashamed for his hatchet acting job. What I'm not clear on is how this became a disqualification. At one point Halperin, who I believe knew Santana was faking told him if he didn't get up and continue he would lose by knockout. So who decided on the disqualification? At worst it should have been declared a no contest.

Agree 100%. The 2nd fight is even worse.

[Willie Pep 229]

I just rewatched the first fight. Norris certainly fouled Santana, but to me it didn't look intentional, nor was it a hard punch. Santana should be ashamed for his hatchet acting job. What I'm not clear on is how this became a disqualification. At one point Halperin, who I believe knew Santana was faking told him if he didn't get up and continue he would lose by knockout. So who decided on the disqualification? At worst it should have been declared a no contest.

The NYSAC created a bizarre foul rule in 1931 when kidney belts first became mandatory. It is the boiler plate for most foul rules today

If a fighter goes down from a foul blow he must regain his feet before a ten count or he was KOed. Once up then the refree could take action against the fouler.

The introduction of the mandatory kidney belt came about becuase there were too many floppers in the 1920s claiming fights by foul. Reaching an apex when Schmeling became champion via a low blow only to have the #1contender Carnera get DQed two weeks later for a low blow.

The sports writers immediately pointed out the problem with the new rule --> "Foul hard and win the fight, foul lightly and lose the round."

That the refree insisted Santana regain his feet matches the logic of the rule, but the usual result was that the offending fighter would lose a point.

I can't speak to why Norris was DQed but if Santana claimed he couldn't go on, then DQ would be the correct call.

But I agree Santana was acting, poorly.

[ShoulderRoll]

Such a fun offensive fighter to watch was Terry Norris. Made more fun by the fact that he was flawed.

That was clearly a foul but Santana obviously milked it.

[mrbig1]

i agree with Brother jab it should have been a no contest. It was shameful what Santana did or was allowed to get away with it. Both fights! Makes me sick.