If Mike Tyson had Tyson Fury as his first fight and Anthony Joshua as his second

[automaton89]

Would he have won? I bet you all he would have lost to both. Tyson was very talented but he improved greatly until his title fights. He did not have the same footing in his first fights. To take a very basic but crucial component.

So why is Ngannous boxing over when he had the balls to skip cannon fodder and go straight to the top?

[Spray_resistant]

If he ever would have beaten both AJ and Fury it would have been early, he started off fantastic and just seemed to regress as he went along.

[automaton89]

If he ever would have beaten both AJ and Fury it would have been early, he started off fantastic and just seemed to regress as he went along.

He started off fantastic against cannon fodder.

[Spray_resistant]

He started off fantastic against cannon fodder.

Yeah, he never made any improvements at all and if anything got, lazy, distracted, arrogant which effected his future performances.

[automaton89]

Yeah, he never made any improvements at all and if anything got, lazy, distracted, arrogant which effected his future performances.

He did improve, but hardly due to those one round kos... He is off balance some of his first pro fights. And he certainly wasnt nr 1 as a junior. But good..

[thebrownbomber_]

Stops both of them

[billeau2]

Who fights at the top of the division their first fights? You may be confusing Tyson's age with when he first fought for a championship against Berbick.

It just doesn't happen in professional boxing. Hypothetically any fighter with a lack of experience will not be ready to fight no matter how talented they are. I don't know maybe they're exceptions to this...

Tyson's initial fights were no different than anybody else's. And he fought a lot better fighters quality wise then whom Joshua and Fury have fought.

And I'm not saying Tyson fought high quality fighters throughout. By the time he fought Berbick he was not really very experienced but he was fantastic and had the natural ability to make up for it.

Berbick like a lot of the '80s crowd were very tactically sound fighters who were tough, savvy, and maybe not ATG level but high quality. Guys like Thomas, dokes, Witherspoon whom some feel was a real legit talent ruined by Don the snake king, I am to agree with that by the way lol.

Tyson was hard to hit. When he was fighting well his head movement was such that Joshua would have had to really been really accurate to catch him. And we all know how Joshua responds to pressure lol.

Fury? I have no idea. He's extremely talented at his best, extremely coachable. I could see a situation like what ensued with holly fought Tyson exactly like should have been done, because he was coached properly by Turner. Instead of trying to get away from Tyson, he went in and pushed him off his base, where Tyson didn't have his power. Fury is capable of something like this for sure.

[automaton89]

Who fights at the top of the division their first fights?.

Francis Ngannou

[billeau2]

Francis Ngannou

exactly.

[Willow The Wisp]

Would he have won? I bet you all he would have lost to both. Tyson was very talented but he improved greatly until his title fights. He did not have the same footing in his first fights. To take a very basic but crucial component.

So why is Ngannous boxing over when he had the balls to skip cannon fodder and go straight to the top?

Because Francis Ngannou has been boxing since he was a child and won't get much better at this point.
With an extended crash course in Expanded Ranges, TD/TD D, Throws, Kicks, Use of knees & elbows, Wrestling and Submission Grappling placed carefully on his Boxing; he ruled the MMA world; a smaller pond populated by fighters who by their choice, disqualified themselves from the big money leagues.

But being able to hang in the top in Boxing is a long way up the mountain from that; as Joshua demonstrated.
People mistook Fury's playing with Ngannou and getting caught with a decent shot while off balance as Ngannou having something that he, as we now know, doesn't have.

If he wants to stay in the bigs, feed him to Wilder.