Floyd, Bivol, Usyk and Beterbiev all say Crawford is #1 P4P

[MulaKO]

I believe you've already answered your own question when you asked who do we think is the king of the middleweight from a call-out by what's his name.

Sure wtv you say

[JOITATS]

Ok fair but with the greatest of respect genuinely I could almost guarantee you couldn't even name me two fighters that Narvaez has beaten without looking it up.
He was literally 40 when Inoue beat him. Narvaez was just a weak belt holder who has an extremely padded record filled with nobodies. He spent virtually all his career hiding out in Argentina making defences of a paper title against God only knows who.

118 was so dead it allowed a totally shot, nearly 40 yr old Donaire to have a little success against a bunch of cans. He was approaching 40, not his best weight and he beat nobody there of any note unless we're pretending Ouabali, Ryan Burnett are anything more they was. There are way too many titles being passed around like nobodies business in these lower weights.

I think Inoue is an excellent little fighter but these divisions are dead (not his fault) and we're being forced to buy into false narratives like these opponents are so great when really we need to be honest like we was when say Wladimir Klitschko went on his bum of the month tour and just enjoy it and hope some competition establishes itself from somewhere rather than creating false narratives that not so good fighters are a whole heap better than they are or are world beaters.
It pains me to say it the sport is in a terrible place. Sorry for the essay but we had this also with Golovkin and fans acting like Willie Monroe was some super slick, skilled boxer and Curtis Stevens and the likes was great opponents like come on now, its madness.

Donaire, Nery, Fulton are his best wins for me and none are great.


I wholeheartedly agree that most of Buds opposition was well past it or not very good to begin with, I've been saying this for years and called a hater and all sorts. All his wins have aged like milk. I think its a shame because Bud has actually wasted his career as far as I am concerned by being an opportunist cherrypicker when there has been plenty of legit competition available. He could easily have fought Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Boots, Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz and countless others. Maybe he could have beat them also but he just made a career out of biding his time and waiting for a weak link to appear and took the path of least resistance.

I follow the lowerwgts, so I know many of Narvaez's past opponents. The reason he fought mainly in Argentina was because he was a national icon.
That's how the business works.

Also, I find it extremely hypocritical to say Donaire was shot because he was nearly 40.
FACT IS, he was 36 yrs old, and was dominant at BW.
If your point is to discredit fighters because they are 36 yrs old, let me also remind you that Crawford is 37 Usyk is 38 Beterbiev is 40.
Going up 2 wgt classes and challenging for belts is what gave Donaire the losses. A bit crazy and unrealistic on Donaire's part if you ask me. But to be discredited because he tried is also a bit unfair.

Out of Inoue's key wins, I wouldn't downplay Fulton. Fulton was the man at 122. He also beat the Leo, the man at 126 now. At the time, Fulton was considered a P4P top 10-15. And it was Inoue's first fight moving up. You gotta give him props for dominating Scooter like that.
The lighterwgt divisons have and always will be less respected by western fans. Most people have no clue, and mainly refer to boxingrec when they want to evaluate a fighter's status....

I think a large part of how Monster is perceived by the boxing community and media is based on how he wins. He obliterates everyone. No one is doing that in boxing now. None of the P4P top guys are doing that. TC barely beat Madrimov. Usyk beat Fury by split dec.

The part I agree with you is, Inoue has yet to find his arch-nemesis. Although it's not his fault, it needs to happen.
We have 2 P4P top guys in Bam and Junto... Inoue has already asked Junto for a title fight, and both have verbally agreed sometime I would imagine 2025 or 26. I can see Bam in 2027. So the potential is big.

[The plunger man]

Because unlike the trolls and clowns on this board, they actually know boxing.

I had him at #1 for years, but unlike a lot of people, I factor in activity level & recent wins in my list.

A lot of people only look at who they consider the best fighter in the sport, which I understand.

It's just not my methodology.

Bud's the best fighter in the world to most of the people who know boxing, even if he doesn't have the best resume & isn't the most active.

Crawford is up there but he certainly ain't above usyk.....also he was not convincing in his last fight.
It don't make sense when you say he doesn't have the best resume or he's to inactive as that's the criteria for being P4P king lol
I like Crawford a lot btw but he ain't the P4P numero Uno he is however if he pulls it out the bag against gingernelo

[Gary Coleman]

TC is a skilled fighter, but if you remove spence from his resume, who has he really fought and beat that is worth mentioning? spence was his biggest fight at 35 year old.

No lies told. One of the most disappointing careers I can think of.

His talent is evident, but he made a career of not really challenging himself.

[daggum]

Ok fair but with the greatest of respect genuinely I could almost guarantee you couldn't even name me two fighters that Narvaez has beaten without looking it up.
He was literally 40 when Inoue beat him. Narvaez was just a weak belt holder who has an extremely padded record filled with nobodies. He spent virtually all his career hiding out in Argentina making defences of a paper title against God only knows who.

118 was so dead it allowed a totally shot, nearly 40 yr old Donaire to have a little success against a bunch of cans. He was approaching 40, not his best weight and he beat nobody there of any note unless we're pretending Ouabali, Ryan Burnett are anything more they was. There are way too many titles being passed around like nobodies business in these lower weights.

I think Inoue is an excellent little fighter but these divisions are dead (not his fault) and we're being forced to buy into false narratives like these opponents are so great when really we need to be honest like we was when say Wladimir Klitschko went on his bum of the month tour and just enjoy it and hope some competition establishes itself from somewhere rather than creating false narratives that not so good fighters are a whole heap better than they are or are world beaters.
It pains me to say it the sport is in a terrible place. Sorry for the essay but we had this also with Golovkin and fans acting like Willie Monroe was some super slick, skilled boxer and Curtis Stevens and the likes was great opponents like come on now, its madness.

Donaire, Nery, Fulton are his best wins for me and none are great.


I wholeheartedly agree that most of Buds opposition was well past it or not very good to begin with, I've been saying this for years and called a hater and all sorts. All his wins have aged like milk. I think its a shame because Bud has actually wasted his career as far as I am concerned by being an opportunist cherrypicker when there has been plenty of legit competition available. He could easily have fought Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Boots, Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz and countless others. Maybe he could have beat them also but he just made a career out of biding his time and waiting for a weak link to appear and took the path of least resistance.

How was donaire shot? Sounds like you are using a deductive argument instead of looking at the facts. Facts are 118 was one of donaires best division and he didn't have as much success in the higher weights before moving back down. Facts are he beat 2 of the top 3 guys.

Burnett has more top 5 wins than tank davis and oubali has the same number. These guys weren't great but they were solid fighters and good wins. Donaire wasn't in his prime but he was far from shot.