Lennox Lewis vs. ...

[Mersey]

"Lewis is not an ATG, only to deluded Brits"

That is sig worthy lol

[-Lowkey-]

Then Holmes, Tyson, and arguably Holyfield were better.

Poet

key word arguably but no way they are

[sonnyboyx2]

Tysons Previous fight? Win RTD Brian Neilsen
Tua's Previous fight? Win TKO 3 Robert Daniels
Morrisons last fight? Win TKO 6 Ruddock

ALL of lewises opponents were coming in in good form off impressive wins



British fans and pretty much EVERY boxing expert has him top 10 atg h/w MOST have him top 5 IN FACT # 2 is the most poular spot for lewis.



Please remind me of the Great ATG's that Tyson beat in his prime?

Tony Tubbs and Pinklon Thomas no doubt would have given prime lewis Fits wouldnt they?

Robert Daniels was a 32yr old Lightheavyweight
Ruddock was having his first fight in 18 months
Tyson weighed a career heaviest against Neilson

i would not call those impressive wins...

i have never read about any boxing expert having Lewis in their Top 5 ATG list and definately never No2 on their list

If Rahman & McCall can poleaxe a prime Lewis and Mercer lose a split decision to him then i am sure Tubbs & Thomas would pose big problems for him...

Tyson kocked-out Larry Holmes yet Holmes easily defeated Mercer and called for a fight with Lewis from 92 onwards..

Tyson hammered Bruno TWICE yet Lewis was out-jabbed and out-fought by Bruno, and was only victorious due to what i would call a "Lucky punch"

IMO Holyfield was Robbed`of the decision in his rematch with Lewis, its also the opinion of most ringside reporters who was at the fight.

The members who have posted on this topic have been split 50/50 on the hyporthetical match-ups of how Lewis would fare against 5 ATGs which leaves him well short of being the No2 ATG..

The facts are that Lennox never ever beat an ATG fighter who was in his prime and 99% of his opponents was on the slide when he fought them and not Class A fighters at that time.. now whichever way you want to "move the goalposts" it is a fact that cannot be over-looked when rating Lennox Lewis against the ATG fighters...

To assume that Lewis had some kind of fantastic jab, brilliant footwork, devastating KO power & dazzling boxing skills, is "playground mentality"... the facts are that Lewis jab was nothing more than a Paw` it was a "distraction" not some kind of lethal weapon like the great jabs of Holmes, Ali & Liston.. Frank Bruno gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing.. which Lewis fight did he show this "fantastic jab?

against which opponents did Lewis show his "devastating KO power" - Rahman was poleaxed TWICE by Oleg Maskaev, so rule him out?

Lennox Lewis`s brilliant footwork`- Lewis had "2 Left-Feet" - against which opponent did he show this brilliant footwork ala Cassius Clay, Robinson, Leonard?

"Dazzling boxing skills` - against which opponents did Lewis show these imaginary boxing skills?

Lennox Lewis was nothing special, he was a KO waiting to happen for almost every top 10 ATG Heavyweight.. his place on the ATG list is 15-20

[Mersey]

Robert Daniels was a 32yr old Lightheavyweight
Ruddock was having his first fight in 18 months
Tyson weighed a career heaviest against Neilson

i would not call those impressive wins...

i have never read about any boxing expert having Lewis in their Top 5 ATG list and definately never No2 on their list

If Rahman & McCall can poleaxe a prime Lewis and Mercer lose a split decision to him then i am sure Tubbs & Thomas would pose big problems for him...

Tyson kocked-out Larry Holmes yet Holmes easily defeated Mercer and called for a fight with Lewis from 92 onwards..

Tyson hammered Bruno TWICE yet Lewis was out-jabbed and out-fought by Bruno, and was only victorious due to what i would call a "Lucky punch"

IMO Holyfield was Robbed`of the decision in his rematch with Lewis, its also the opinion of most ringside reporters who was at the fight.

The members who have posted on this topic have been split 50/50 on the hyporthetical match-ups of how Lewis would fare against 5 ATGs which leaves him well short of being the No2 ATG..

The facts are that Lennox never ever beat an ATG fighter who was in his prime and 99% of his opponents was on the slide when he fought them and not Class A fighters at that time.. now whichever way you want to "move the goalposts" it is a fact that cannot be over-looked when rating Lennox Lewis against the ATG fighters...

To assume that Lewis had some kind of fantastic jab, brilliant footwork, devastating KO power & dazzling boxing skills, is "playground mentality"... the facts are that Lewis jab was nothing more than a Paw` it was a "distraction" not some kind of lethal weapon like the great jabs of Holmes, Ali & Liston.. Frank Bruno gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing.. which Lewis fight did he show this "fantastic jab?

against which opponents did Lewis show his "devastating KO power" - Rahman was poleaxed TWICE by Oleg Maskaev, so rule him out?

Lennox Lewis`s brilliant footwork`- Lewis had "2 Left-Feet" - against which opponent did he show this brilliant footwork ala Cassius Clay, Robinson, Leonard?

"Dazzling boxing skills` - against which opponents did Lewis show these imaginary boxing skills?

Lennox Lewis was nothing special, he was a KO waiting to happen for almost every top 10 ATG Heavyweight.. his place on the ATG list is 15-20

Your posts are turning into hater posts now. All you are doing is criticizing him in anyway possible.

Then you say he's only an ATG to the Brits, but then in your next post you say he's top 15-20?

Just out of interest, where do you have Mike Tyson in your ATG list?

[Dynamite Kid]

Robert Daniels was a 32yr old Lightheavyweight
Ruddock was having his first fight in 18 months
Tyson weighed a career heaviest against Neilson

i would not call those impressive wins...

i have never read about any boxing expert having Lewis in their Top 5 ATG list and definately never No2 on their list

If Rahman & McCall can poleaxe a prime Lewis and Mercer lose a split decision to him then i am sure Tubbs & Thomas would pose big problems for him...

Tyson kocked-out Larry Holmes yet Holmes easily defeated Mercer and called for a fight with Lewis from 92 onwards..

Tyson hammered Bruno TWICE yet Lewis was out-jabbed and out-fought by Bruno, and was only victorious due to what i would call a "Lucky punch"

IMO Holyfield was Robbed`of the decision in his rematch with Lewis, its also the opinion of most ringside reporters who was at the fight.

The members who have posted on this topic have been split 50/50 on the hyporthetical match-ups of how Lewis would fare against 5 ATGs which leaves him well short of being the No2 ATG..

The facts are that Lennox never ever beat an ATG fighter who was in his prime and 99% of his opponents was on the slide when he fought them and not Class A fighters at that time.. now whichever way you want to "move the goalposts" it is a fact that cannot be over-looked when rating Lennox Lewis against the ATG fighters...

To assume that Lewis had some kind of fantastic jab, brilliant footwork, devastating KO power & dazzling boxing skills, is "playground mentality"... the facts are that Lewis jab was nothing more than a Paw` it was a "distraction" not some kind of lethal weapon like the great jabs of Holmes, Ali & Liston.. Frank Bruno gave Lewis a lesson in jabbing.. which Lewis fight did he show this "fantastic jab?

against which opponents did Lewis show his "devastating KO power" - Rahman was poleaxed TWICE by Oleg Maskaev, so rule him out?

Lennox Lewis`s brilliant footwork`- Lewis had "2 Left-Feet" - against which opponent did he show this brilliant footwork ala Cassius Clay, Robinson, Leonard?

"Dazzling boxing skills` - against which opponents did Lewis show these imaginary boxing skills?

Lennox Lewis was nothing special, he was a KO waiting to happen for almost every top 10 ATG Heavyweight.. his place on the ATG list is 15-20

Excuses! Ruddock got nailed in 2 rounds, fact!


Any fighter can have problem with a lesser fighter if they overlook them and Ray Mercer's performances were renowned for going up and down, he could be very dangerous at his best.

Salvador Sanchez had a massive head ache with Pat Cowdell and Ruben Castillo but he knocked Azumad Nelson out and Nelson knocked Cowdell silly in 1 round. Sanchez was clearly a better fighter than Cowdell and Castillo but they still gave him trouble because he fought to the level of his opposition. It happens, but it does not mean Lewis was overrated. Mercer would of given Mike a hellluva fight to because Mercer had that chin and consistency in terms of, he kept coming.

Bruno fought Lewis when he was not in his prime, that Lewis would of lost to Bowe and Tyson but the prime Lewis is a different animal.

The facts are that Lennox never ever beat an ATG fighter who was in his prime

Neither did Mike, infact he lost to a 34 year old Holyfield who had been in wars with Stewart, Dokes, Bowe 1-3, Cooper and tough fights with Mercer, De Leon, Tillman and others. Mike Tyson has never really been in a tough tough fight imo, except!! the Douglas and Holyfield fight and he lost/quit in those fights. Tyson's fight with Ruddock was not really a particularly tough fight for Mike, it was a tough fight for Ruddock because he took a beating for most of the fight, he landed a couple of flurry's at the end of a couple of rounds but the story of the fight was..............Mike beating on Ruddock and Ruddock taking it untill he eventually could take no more, it was not really a tough fight irfor Mike though.

Tyson fans like to pretend he was past his best when he fought Holyfield, but they forget that Holyfield was 34 and had been in many many wars and he had been knocked out by Bowe in the 3rd fight and lost his title to Moorer and looked terrible.

This is why Tyson fans overrate Mike because he lost to Holyfield legitimately because he was not as good as Holyfield.

Lewis had excellent skills for a big man, he was a very good counter puncher who dictated the distance with his height and intimidate people from bum rushing him with his big right hand and uppercut.

Lennox Lewis was nothing special,

Hater!

[Mersey]

Lennox Lewis was nothing special,

Hater!

exactly

[sonnyboyx2]

Excuses! Ruddock got nailed in 2 rounds, fact!


Any fighter can have problem with a lesser fighter if they overlook them and Ray Mercer's performances were renowned for going up and down, he could be very dangerous at his best.

Salvador Sanchez had a massive head ache with Pat Cowdell and Ruben Castillo but he knocked Azumad Nelson out and Nelson knocked Cowdell silly in 1 round. Sanchez was clearly a better fighter than Cowdell and Castillo but they still gave him trouble because he fought to the level of his opposition. It happens, but it does not mean Lewis was overrated. Mercer would of given Mike a hellluva fight to because Mercer had that chin and consistency in terms of, he kept coming.

Bruno fought Lewis when he was not in his prime, that Lewis would of lost to Bowe and Tyson but the prime Lewis is a different animal.

The facts are that Lennox never ever beat an ATG fighter who was in his prime

Neither did Mike, infact he lost to a 34 year old Holyfield who had been in wars with Stewart, Dokes, Bowe 1-3, Cooper and tough fights with Mercer, De Leon, Tillman and others. Mike Tyson has never really been in a tough tough fight imo, except!! the Douglas and Holyfield fight and he lost/quit in those fights. Tyson's fight with Ruddock was not really a particularly tough fight for Mike, it was a tough fight for Ruddock because he took a beating for most of the fight, he landed a couple of flurry's at the end of a couple of rounds but the story of the fight was..............Mike beating on Ruddock and Ruddock taking it untill he eventually could take no more, it was not really a tough fight irfor Mike though.

Tyson fans like to pretend he was past his best when he fought Holyfield, but they forget that Holyfield was 34 and had been in many many wars and he had been knocked out by Bowe in the 3rd fight and lost his title to Moorer and looked terrible.

This is why Tyson fans overrate Mike because he lost to Holyfield legitimately because he was not as good as Holyfield.

Lewis had excellent skills for a big man, he was a very good counter puncher who dictated the distance with his height and intimidate people from bum rushing him with his big right hand and uppercut.

Lennox Lewis was nothing special,

Hater!

Ruddock got nailed in two yes... But he was "damaged Goods" after taking 2 brutal beatings at the hands of Tyson

Azumah Nelson was a mere novice when losing in the 14th round to Sanchez... we are talking Lewis not Sanchez!

Lewis was not in his prime against Bruno (laughable) .. when was Lewis in his prime? .. a prime Lewis is an animal you claim, yet a prime Bowe & prime Tyson was only `dogmeat` for Lewis... IMO i would say it is the reverse.

Mike Tyson has been in many tough fights, his unification fight against a "Prime Tony Tucker" was a tough fight, unlike the Tucker who Lewis defeated 6yrs later who was a `Junkie`and a shell of his former self..

Yes Tyson was `past his best when he fought Holyfield, he had served severel prison sentences and been defeated by Douglas 6yrs previous...are you saying he was "in his prime"?

Holyfield`s lost to Bowe in their 3rd fight was supposedly down to "heart murmur".. his loss to Moorer was down to his inability to handle a very good southpaw... Lewis wanted nothing to do with Michael Moorer 94-96.. Holyfield avenged his defeat in their rematch.

When was their prime for Tyson, Lewis & Holyfield?

When was their prime for Tyson, Lewis & Holyfield?

[Mersey]

Ruddock got nailed in two yes... But he was "damaged Goods" after taking 2 brutal beatings at the hands of Tyson

Azumah Nelson was a mere novice when losing in the 14th round to Sanchez... we are talking Lewis not Sanchez!

Lewis was not in his prime against Bruno (laughable) .. when was Lewis in his prime? .. a prime Lewis is an animal you claim, yet a prime Bowe & prime Tyson was only `dogmeat` for Lewis... IMO i would say it is the reverse.

Mike Tyson has been in many tough fights, his unification fight against a "Prime Tony Tucker" was a tough fight, unlike the Tucker who Lewis defeated 6yrs later who was a `Junkie`and a shell of his former self..

Yes Tyson was `past his best when he fought Holyfield, he had served severel prison sentences and been defeated by Douglas 6yrs previous...are you saying he was "in his prime"?

Holyfield`s lost to Bowe in their 3rd fight was supposedly down to "heart murmur".. his loss to Moorer was down to his inability to handle a very good southpaw... Lewis wanted nothing to do with Michael Moorer 94-96.. Holyfield avenged his defeat in their rematch.

When was their prime for Tyson, Lewis & Holyfield?

When was their prime for Tyson, Lewis & Holyfield?

You said that twice.

[StarshipTrooper]

key word arguably but no way they are

No way Holmes is arguably. Larry is a top-five ATG, Lewis is not.

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Your posts are turning into hater posts now. All you are doing is criticizing him in anyway possible.

Then you say he's only an ATG to the Brits, but then in your next post you say he's top 15-20?

Just out of interest, where do you have Mike Tyson in your ATG list?

i am not a hater, nor am i criticzing, what i am doing is giving my opinion of how i (myself) seen the career of Lennox Lewis... i can do the same with almost any boxer who i have followed and seen alot of,

there are some on here who are not haters but "nuthuggers" and claim that Lennox Lewis would destroy Joe Frazier similar to how he was beaten by George Foreman in 1973, i am a Frazier "nuthugger" and find it laughable the thought of Lennox Lewis entering a boxing ring with Smokin`Joe Frazier... Larry Holmes summed up this fight best in his book "Against the Odds" saying if Lewis was to have fought Joe Frazier "he would be bombed out within 2rds" by Smokin Joe`

dont take it out on me, as i only go by what i read and see with my own eyes, i have seen Lennox Lewis fight on 6 occasions and Joe Frazier on one occasion, my opinion is exactly the same as Larry Holmes opinion.