How Good Was Frank Childs?

[Marchegiano]

Name which Ring Record Book lists the figh?Second time of asking.
The Black Dynamite series written by Kevin R Smith? The man who made his one and only appearance on Classic to tell you not to use his name when telling your lies?.
McVey was very green and unskilled? Was he? He'd had 18 fights, gone the distance with Johnson twice ,beaten Martin, Kid Carter and Fred Russell and was certainly more skilled than Munroe 7-2-0 and Finnigan 4-2-4!
No matter how much you squirm you cannot overcome the cold fact that Johnson,Martin and McVey,would all have been far better challengers for Jeffries title than those 2 dubs!

Jeffries v Munroe.
World Heavyweight Title.,
The battle was decided by the first big punch landed by Jeffries, a terrific left hook to the jaw that dropped Munroe for a count and from which he never recovered. (Jeff had refused bandages for his hands while Munroe wore them.) Referee Graney stepped between them to prevent Jeffries from administering any further punishment with Munroe insensible. [San Francisco Call]
Equals criminal mismatch!

Jeffries v Finnigan
"Finnegan landed the first blow as they came to the center of the ring, and Jeffries then put his left on the Pittsburgh man's jaw and he went to the floor. Finnegan came up in a few seconds only to be sent to the floor again with a blow in the same place. He stayed down longer this time and when he again rose he was in visible distress. He had hardly assumed a fighting position before the champion put his left in the pit of his stomach and Finnegan went down completely out. Referee Siler counted the seconds off and when he stepped back it was seen that Finnegan was crying. He staggered to his feet, reeled against the ropes and his seconds rushed into the ring and carried him to his corner. It was several minutes before he recovered sufficiently to leave the ring. Jeffries said he weighed 220, but he looked 30 pounds heavier. Finnegan weighed but 180, and he looked like a boy beside the champion." (Brooklyn Daily Eagle)
Equals criminal mismatch!
The only qualifications these two no hopers had was the colour of their skin!

Didn't Munroe get a title shot because he did well in an exhibition? I don't think much of him myself but sell-ability was there wasn't it?

Anyone got attendance numbers for the Munroe fight?

Jeffries did at least fight Peter Jackson. Which is more than a lot of his color line era cohorts.

[Ivich]

Didn't Munroe get a title shot because he did well in an exhibition? I don't think much of him myself but sell-ability was there wasn't it?

Anyone got attendance numbers for the Munroe fight?

Jeffries did at least fight Peter Jackson. Which is more than a lot of his color line era cohorts.

Jackson was 36 years old ,alcoholic and consumptive and had not fought for nearly 5 and a half years.Tom Sharkey said he was a physical wreck and that he would be ashamed to fight him.

[Ivich]

Didn't Munroe get a title shot because he did well in an exhibition? I don't think much of him myself but sell-ability was there wasn't it?

Anyone got attendance numbers for the Munroe fight?

Jeffries did at least fight Peter Jackson. Which is more than a lot of his color line era cohorts.

Jackson was 36 years old had not fought for nearly 5 and a half years was an alcoholic and consumptive.Tom Sharkey said Jackson was a physical wreck, and he would be ashamed to fight him at that time.

• The Los Angeles Herald reported the following on August 27, 1904:

Like the veriest amateur in the prize ring, Jack Munroe of Butte, Mont., went down and out before Champion James J. Jeffries tonight in the second round. The man from the mining district made such an extremely sorry showing that the great throng in Mechanics pavilion roundly hooted him as he protested to Referee Graney against the decision that had been given in favor of the champion. The two giants had not been in the ring two minutes when it was foreseen that the aspirations of Munroe would be quickly disposed of. The miner was scared and awkward and Jeffries in the first round had him twice on the canvas taking the count. Jeffries directed his bombardment against the stomach of his opponent and each shot was followed by a blow on the jaw that sent Munroe to his knees. Jeffries went back to his corner after the opening round with a sneer and a laugh on his swarthy face, while Munroe's seconds busied themselves with smelling salts and restoratives. When the two came together for the second round the laugh on the champion's visage changed to a look of determination that boded ill for the miner. Forty-five seconds after the gong sounded Munroe was lying on the floor, a bloody, bruised mass of humanity, with Jeffries standing over him, ready if necessary to put the quietus on the championship ambitions of his adversary. The miner was too dazed to rise to his feet and the time keepers counted him out, but the husky man from Southern California did not understand that the victory was already his, nor could Munroe realize that his pugilistic star had so early set, and the two men in a moment or two were facing one another and Jeffries landed a terrific blow on the jaw of his staggering opponent. It was at this time that Graney came forward and ordered Jeffries away, telling him that the fight was ended in his favor. Munroe tottered to his corner with blood streaming from his face and fell into his chair dazed and helpless. His seconds immediately began working on him to freshen him, and when he came to a realization that the fight had gone against him he arose and, going over to Referee Graney, began to make a protest.

" I am tired of talking about that dub,I will give him $1000 if Jeffries or myself cannot stop him inside 3 rounds.
"I am tired of allowing him to go about the country advertising himself at our expense.
I want to go on record as saying he is a third rate dub,and if anyone thinks he is not a dub ,get him to face me for 3 rounds, and earn $1000 if I fail to knock him out. "
Bob Fitzsimmons, after Jeffries exhibition with Munroe. National Police Gazette Feb 7th 1903.

[Marchegiano]

Jackson was 36 years old had not fought for nearly 5 and a half years was an alcoholic and consumptive.Tom Sharkey said Jackson was a physical wreck, and he would be ashamed to fight him at that time.

• The Los Angeles Herald reported the following on August 27, 1904:

Like the veriest amateur in the prize ring, Jack Munroe of Butte, Mont., went down and out before Champion James J. Jeffries tonight in the second round. The man from the mining district made such an extremely sorry showing that the great throng in Mechanics pavilion roundly hooted him as he protested to Referee Graney against the decision that had been given in favor of the champion. The two giants had not been in the ring two minutes when it was foreseen that the aspirations of Munroe would be quickly disposed of. The miner was scared and awkward and Jeffries in the first round had him twice on the canvas taking the count. Jeffries directed his bombardment against the stomach of his opponent and each shot was followed by a blow on the jaw that sent Munroe to his knees. Jeffries went back to his corner after the opening round with a sneer and a laugh on his swarthy face, while Munroe's seconds busied themselves with smelling salts and restoratives. When the two came together for the second round the laugh on the champion's visage changed to a look of determination that boded ill for the miner. Forty-five seconds after the gong sounded Munroe was lying on the floor, a bloody, bruised mass of humanity, with Jeffries standing over him, ready if necessary to put the quietus on the championship ambitions of his adversary. The miner was too dazed to rise to his feet and the time keepers counted him out, but the husky man from Southern California did not understand that the victory was already his, nor could Munroe realize that his pugilistic star had so early set, and the two men in a moment or two were facing one another and Jeffries landed a terrific blow on the jaw of his staggering opponent. It was at this time that Graney came forward and ordered Jeffries away, telling him that the fight was ended in his favor. Munroe tottered to his corner with blood streaming from his face and fell into his chair dazed and helpless. His seconds immediately began working on him to freshen him, and when he came to a realization that the fight had gone against him he arose and, going over to Referee Graney, began to make a protest.

The Hawk's so nice you had to post twice?

Well I didn't say either were good fights or challengers, just that he did fight a black man and fought Munroe because the audience thought Munroe was a good challenger. Posting about how garbage each fight was doesn't really address this.

I did think the Jackson fight was post title but it was pre-title and so, not really anything. I could be wrong but didn't a few color line era guys fight blacks pre-title? Basically everyone after John? That's not what I thought it was to be honest, kind of a non-point.

That said, I am curious to know how Munroe was regarded. I tried to find the exhibition narrative but I have not had success, yet. I may have been mistaken about that as well.

[Ivich]

The Hawk's so nice you had to post twice?

Well I didn't say either were good fights or challengers, just that he did fight a black man and fought Munroe because the audience thought Munroe was a good challenger. Posting about how garbage each fight was doesn't really address this.

I did think the Jackson fight was post title but it was pre-title and so, not really anything. I could be wrong but didn't a few color line era guys fight blacks pre-title? Basically everyone after John? That's not what I thought it was to be honest, kind of a non-point.

That said, I am curious to know how Munroe was regarded. I tried to find the exhibition narrative but I have not had success, yet. I may have been mistaken about that as well.

I don't have the attendance figures but Adam Pollack's book of Jeffries says there were two figures given for the purses.
1,total gate reached only$21,800.with the fighters getting 60% $13,080 to be split 60/40 .
Jeffries receiving $ 7,848. Munroe$ 5.232.
Others said the gross receipts were $ 31,800
$11,480 for Jeffries, $7,632 for Munroe. Jeffries was offered a guarantee of $15,000 to defend against McVey which he ignored
Either way the audience didn't think that much of Munroe's chances did they? I never said Jeffries didnt fight black men I said he refused to defend his title against one,and he did.
Jeffries was disappointed with his share of the purse and with no white challengers in sight he retired.
Jeffries exhibition with Munroe seems to have been a case of Jeffries letting Munroe stay a couple of rounds to give the crowd their moneys worth.After the 1 st round Fitzsimmons ,with whom Jeffries was touring ,making around $2000 a night,urged Jeffries to take the Miner out. Jeffries stepped up the pace in the 3rd round but was unable to stop Munroe,though he dropped him,the 4th was a case of Jeffries chasing ,and Munroe evading.Jeffries said he fell when off balance,Munroe claimed he dropped Jeffries.Take your pick.

[Dr. Z]

Name which Ring Record Book lists the fight?Second time of asking. Which issue have you personally seen it in? Which volumes of Black Dynamite do you own?
The Black Dynamite series written by Kevin R Smith? The man who made his one and only appearance on Classic to tell you not to use his name when telling your lies?.
McVey was very green and unskilled? Was he? He'd had 18 fights, gone the distance with Johnson twice ,beaten Martin, Kid Carter and Fred Russell and was certainly more skilled than Munroe 7-2-0 and Finnigan 4-2-4!
No matter how much you squirm you cannot overcome the cold fact that Johnson,Martin and McVey,would all have been far better challengers for Jeffries title than those 2 dubs!

Jeffries v Munroe.
World Heavyweight Title.,
The battle was decided by the first big punch landed by Jeffries, a terrific left hook to the jaw that dropped Munroe for a count and from which he never recovered. (Jeff had refused bandages for his hands while Munroe wore them.) Referee Graney stepped between them to prevent Jeffries from administering any further punishment with Munroe insensible. [San Francisco Call]
Equals criminal mismatch!

Jeffries v Finnigan
"Finnegan landed the first blow as they came to the center of the ring, and Jeffries then put his left on the Pittsburgh man's jaw and he went to the floor. Finnegan came up in a few seconds only to be sent to the floor again with a blow in the same place. He stayed down longer this time and when he again rose he was in visible distress. He had hardly assumed a fighting position before the champion put his left in the pit of his stomach and Finnegan went down completely out. Referee Siler counted the seconds off and when he stepped back it was seen that Finnegan was crying. He staggered to his feet, reeled against the ropes and his seconds rushed into the ring and carried him to his corner. It was several minutes before he recovered sufficiently to leave the ring. Jeffries said he weighed 220, but he looked 30 pounds heavier. Finnegan weighed but 180, and he looked like a boy beside the champion." (Brooklyn Daily Eagle)
Equals criminal mismatch!
The only qualifications these two no hopers had was the colour of their skin!

You are a mess. For openers Kevin Smith did NOT write the Black Dynamite series.

Smith agreed with me by the way on Johnson that his reign was a negative one by the way.

.Check the 1941 edition or Ring record book by way

Thanks for copying box rec again. Wow I did not know abut the Finnegan fight. I look forward to your amazing insight when I need a laugh.

[Marchegiano]

Smith wrote caramel colored kings. easy mix up.

[Ivich]

You are a mess. For openers Kevin Smith did NOT write the Black Dynamite series.

Smith agreed with me by the way on Johnson that his reign was a negative one by the way.

.Check the 1941 edition or Ring record book by way

Thanks for copying box rec again. Wow I did not know abut the Finnegan fight. I look forward to your amazing insight when I need a laugh.

THE CYBER BOXING ZONE -- Black Dynamite The Sundowners - by Kevin R. Smith Book
Smith's book was referred to as Black Dynamite as above.
Smith didn't think much of Fleischer's original series calling it," heavily flawed". And I do remember Kevin telling you not to use his name when telling your lies!

Let's be clear, are you saying you have the 1941 Ring Record Book?
Currently selling for $800 on E bay?
Post proof of your claim that those fights are included in Jeffries resume in that edition. While you are at it, produce the newspaper reports of those fights you say were written.

You don't seriously think anybody here would take your word for anything do you!lol

[Dr. Z]

THE CYBER BOXING ZONE -- Black Dynamite The Sundowners - by Kevin R. Smith Book
Smith's book was referred to as Black Dynamite as above.
Smith didn't think much of Fleischer's original series calling it," heavily flawed". And I do remember Kevin telling you not to use his name when telling your lies!

Let's be clear, are you saying you have the 1941 Ring Record Book?
Currently selling for $800 on E bay?
Post proof of your claim that those fights are included in Jeffries resume in that edition. While you are at it, produce the newspaper reports of those fights you say were written.

You don't seriously think anybody here would take your word for anything do you!lol

Smith book is titled The Sundowners you idiot

Stop with your lies, and please stop spreading falsehoods and your errors in a history forum.

People should be warned of you lying ways and known antipathy toward Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Marciano, and the Klitschko's. Gee I wonder what these men all have in common?

I told you the book, the year and the title you dope.

Your word means zilch.

[Ivich]

Smith book is titled The Sundowners you idiot

Stop with your lies, and please stop spreading falsehoods and your errors in a history forum.

People should be warned of you lying ways and known antipathy toward Corbett, Fitzsimmons, Jeffries, Marciano, and the Klitschko's. Gee I wonder what these men all have in common?

I told you the book, the year and the title you dope.

Your word means zilch.

THE CYBER BOXING ZONE -- Black Dynamite The Sundowners - by Kevin R. Smith Book.
All those men are White,and so am I!
I am an admirer of Fitz,Rocky,and the Klitschkos.
My favourite fighter is Dempsey, what colour was he? lol

The Champions you regularly smear are Johnson,Louis, Frazier all those men are black, and what colour are you?
White!

You brought the subject up not me!
You have proven to Jab and Cliff exactly what your word is worth!