James J Corbett's 3 Best Wins?

[markusmod]

Kinda puts Charlie Z in perspective when he wants a break mid first round

Charlie doesn't want to show too much of his greatness. Half a round is enough.

[Ivich]

Which do you think they are?

Done some more digging on this and have come up with the following
22 CONFIRMED PRO FIGHTS
NB Fights prior to 1889 were not pro fights according to CBZ
1889
Joe Choynski.NC 4
Joe Choynski WTK 27
Their 3rd meeting may have been an exhibition.CBZ

George Atkinson W KO 1 There is no information regarding Atkinson's record.

Australian Billy Smith W 6
Australian Billy Smith W6 Smith's record is 20-15-10.

Dave Campbell D 10 Campbell has no record.
1890
Jake Kilrain W6 These were 2 minute rounds with no clinching or infighting permitted.

1891
Peter Jackson NC 61.

Ed Kinney W 4.Kinney has a record of 0-2.

1892
Macdonald K0 1Macdonald has no record.

Billy Tracy W TK 2 Tracy has no record.

Frank Duncan W KO2 Duncan has no record.

Michael Sullivan W Sullivan no record.

Jack Dougherty W KO 1.Dougherty no record.

John L Sullivan W K0 21 Heavyweight Title.

1894
Charlie Mitchell W K0 3 Title Defence.

1896
Tom Sharkey D 4

1897
Bob Fitzsimmons L KO 14 Heavyweight Title.

Tom Sharkey L F9

1900
Jim Jeffries LKO 23 Heavyweight Title

Kid McCoy W Ko 5 Probably a fake fight.

1903

Jim Jeffries LK0 Heavyweight Title.

22 Fights 14 wins 4 losses 2 draws 2 no contests

NB The Dominick McCaffrey fight is considered to have been an exhibition.

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[QueensburyRules]

I still marvel at these guys who went an insane amount of rounds like that.

- - Media reports indicate they were both propped up against each other for most of the latter rounds like a pair a drunks out on the town, (my preferred descriptor.)

[Willie Pep 229]

NYTimes does not seem to believe the Corbett-McCoy fight was dirty. They describe Corbett as beating up McCoy pretty bad come the KO. They also saw the earlier rounds as a "display of scientific boxing" which could in turn be misunderstood by the casual fan as a fix.

NYTimes, Corbett Won Fight in Fifth Round, August 31st, 1900, page 5

What about the Gilsey House hotel lobby brawl in 1898. Does that count as a Corbett-McCoy fight?

Just joking but it does seem that Corbett and McCoy had a go in a hotel lobby two years before their susposed fix fight, that included hair pulling and a swift kick to Corbett's groin.

One might want to think it a classic weight-in promotion shoving go, but the event took place after word got out that the scheduled Buffalo fight was about to be canceled. (thwarted by a group of protesting Ministers.) The fighters blamed each other for the failure.

The lobby "fight" took off after a short debate over whose face more resembled a monkey.

NY Times, McCoy and Corbett Fight, September 29th, 1898, page 5.

NYTimes, Ministers to Stop Fight, August 12th, 1898, page 5.

[Dr. Z]

Done some more digging on this and have come up with the following
22 CONFIRMED PRO FIGHTS
NB Fights prior to 1889 were not pro fights according to CBZ
1889
Joe Choynski.NC 4
Joe Choynski WTK 27
Their 3rd meeting may have been an exhibition.CBZ

George Atkinson W KO 1 There is no information regarding Atkinson's record.

Australian Billy Smith W 6
Australian Billy Smith W6 Smith's record is 20-15-10.

Dave Campbell D 10 Campbell has no record.
1890
Jake Kilrain W6 These were 2 minute rounds with no clinching or infighting permitted.

1891
Peter Jackson NC 61.

Ed Kinney W 4.Kinney has a record of 0-2.

1892
Macdonald K0 1Macdonald has no record.

Billy Tracy W TK 2 Tracy has no record.

Frank Duncan W KO2 Duncan has no record.

Michael Sullivan W Sullivan no record.

Jack Dougherty W KO 1.Dougherty no record.

John L Sullivan W K0 21 Heavyweight Title.

1894
Charlie Mitchell W K0 3 Title Defence.

1896
Tom Sharkey D 4

1897
Bob Fitzsimmons L KO 14 Heavyweight Title.

Tom Sharkey L F9

1900
Jim Jeffries LKO 23 Heavyweight Title

Kid McCoy W Ko 5 Probably a fake fight.

1903

Jim Jeffries LK0 Heavyweight Title.

22 Fights 14 wins 4 losses 2 draws 2 no contests

NB The Dominick McCaffrey fight is considered to have been an exhibition.

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Oh so your using the CBZ researched many years ago, mostly by one man and not by Wikipedia which several people for boxing research now? Yet you DQ what they say when listing Johnson total fights leading up to Choyskni painting him as green! Take note some of the fighters you are saying no record, have records to view. Take note Corbetts early career has newly discovered and confirmed fights now. McCoy vs Corbett wasn't a fake fight, both guys were down and the action was lively. Your agenda frankly stinks.

[Willie Pep 229]

Then again here's a different opinion of Kid McCoy.

An inveterate gambler, McCoy is thought to have bet against himself occasionally, as in his knockout defeat by in 1900. He was married 10 times to eight women and served eight years in a penitentiary as a consequence of the death of one of his wives. Reduced to poverty, he committed suicide

[QueensburyRules]

Then again here's a different opinion of Kid McCoy.

An inveterate gambler, McCoy is thought to have bet against himself occasionally, as in his knockout defeat by in 1900. He was married 10 times to eight women and served eight years in a penitentiary as a consequence of the death of one of his wives. Reduced to poverty, he committed suicide

- - Did Kid die by his own screw punch?

Corbett and Jeffries have been said to have had many unrecorded fights coming up against the usual suspects at a Cali, presumably LA area private "Olympia" Club, spelling open to correction.

Possibly this sanitized club ca 1860 still going today?

[Ivich]

NYTimes does not seem to believe the Corbett-McCoy fight was dirty. They describe Corbett as beating up McCoy pretty bad come the KO. They also saw the earlier rounds as a "display of scientific boxing" which could in turn be misunderstood by the casual fan as a fix.

NYTimes, Corbett Won Fight in Fifth Round, August 31st, 1900, page 5

What about the Gilsey House hotel lobby brawl in 1898. Does that count as a Corbett-McCoy fight?

Just joking but it does seem that Corbett and McCoy had a go in a hotel lobby two years before their susposed fix fight, that included hair pulling and a swift kick to Corbett's groin.

One might want to think it a classic weight-in promotion shoving go, but the event took place after word got out that the scheduled Buffalo fight was about to be canceled. (thwarted by a group of protesting Ministers.) The fighters blamed each other for the failure.

The lobby "fight" took off after a short debate over whose face more resembled a monkey.

NY Times, McCoy and Corbett Fight, September 29th, 1898, page 5.

NYTimes, Ministers to Stop Fight, August 12th, 1898, page 5.

I don't suppose we will ever know the bona fides of the fight.Both Corbett's and McCoys wife stated it was a rehearsed tank job.I have included it as a win for Corbett pending further info.

ps I was accused of using Box Rec for my info by one poster.

Now I'v'e used CBZ apparently that is not satisfactory to that poster either!

ps One of Corbett's verified pro opponents came out of the audience.

[Dr. Z]

- - Did Kid die by his own screw punch?

Corbett and Jeffries have been said to have had many unrecorded fights coming up against the usual suspects at a Cali, presumably LA area private "Olympia" Club, spelling open to correction.

Possibly this sanitized club ca 1860 still going today?

Yes, Jeffries does and started boxing in 1893! His own words. He refers too many of these matches a " smokers " but does not list any names. According to the fights program of Fitzsimmons vs Jeffries 1, Jeffries had 20 fights before meeting Fitz! Wow. Some should buy it and report the names.

Corbett too has several fights that are not recored today. Jeffries went on tour to New Mexico and took on all comers, he also knocked out 10 men in this European trip. Look in the States of Montana and Arizona too...the defunct or very old new papers.

[Rosco3387]

Done some more digging on this and have come up with the following
22 CONFIRMED PRO FIGHTS
NB Fights prior to 1889 were not pro fights according to CBZ
1889
Joe Choynski.NC 4
Joe Choynski WTK 27
Their 3rd meeting may have been an exhibition.CBZ

George Atkinson W KO 1 There is no information regarding Atkinson's record.

Australian Billy Smith W 6
Australian Billy Smith W6 Smith's record is 20-15-10.

Dave Campbell D 10 Campbell has no record.
1890
Jake Kilrain W6 These were 2 minute rounds with no clinching or infighting permitted.

1891
Peter Jackson NC 61.

Ed Kinney W 4.Kinney has a record of 0-2.

1892
Macdonald K0 1Macdonald has no record.

Billy Tracy W TK 2 Tracy has no record.

Frank Duncan W KO2 Duncan has no record.

Michael Sullivan W Sullivan no record.

Jack Dougherty W KO 1.Dougherty no record.

John L Sullivan W K0 21 Heavyweight Title.

1894
Charlie Mitchell W K0 3 Title Defence.

1896
Tom Sharkey D 4

1897
Bob Fitzsimmons L KO 14 Heavyweight Title.

Tom Sharkey L F9

1900
Jim Jeffries LKO 23 Heavyweight Title

Kid McCoy W Ko 5 Probably a fake fight.

1903

Jim Jeffries LK0 Heavyweight Title.

22 Fights 14 wins 4 losses 2 draws 2 no contests

NB The Dominick McCaffrey fight is considered to have been an exhibition.

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To add "insult to injury" there are these staged fights using actors lol. I actually fell for one of them myself lol. Sometimes these fights are prefaced as being real contests... so you go to review a fight and... (palm slap). Here is a good one below:

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Here is my personal favorite!

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