It's actually impossible to gain punching power through gaining weight and "putting on" muscle

[them_apples]

I'm not talking about lighter HWs performing better, or videos showing oldtimer skills. I'm talking about specific claims like, for example: Most new boxers have glass jaws! I haven't seen you come up with any kind of evidende for this. Or for any of the other specific claims I listed.

As for modern boxers having automatically improved with "modern conditioning" being an absurd opinion... yes, I absolutely agree with that! I can think of no evidence, that backs up such an opinion. So I'm not arguing for moderns being better - I'm arguing against them beeing complete dog****, which of course is what you like to think.

are you serious?

I gave you 100s of reasons why

[Bundana]

are you serious?

I gave you 100s of reasons why

Right... so give me the evidence that proves, most new boxers have glass jaws.

[kara]

- - Bellew a huge guy had no biz at 175, a bad management decision disrespecting the health and career of a fighter that boxing is rife with.

Nobody I know thinks emaciated Manny knocking out flyweights could automatically KO a big welter like welter Manny did.

OP seldom thinks things through to continue coming up with these non sequiturs.

Naoya Inoue?

[4truth]

Without the momentum from the mass of your body, you are a weak arm puncher. Sure, the velocity of your fist is a major component as is the stiffness of your arm but without mass behind it, it won’t affect much mass when lands.

[them_apples]

Without the momentum from the mass of your body, you are a weak arm puncher. Sure, the velocity of your fist is a major component as is the stiffness of your arm but without mass behind it, it won’t affect much mass when lands.

your body just needs to be solid and anchored on impact (feet planted).

bigger men with the same technique hit harder, A smaller man who "puts on weight" won't hit harder by putting on weight. HGH might be the only alternative, as the bones and tendons can grow as well.

[Bundana]

As a fully adult man of 24, Jimmy Ellis regularly weighed in under the MW limit.

Does anyone really believe, that this Ellis hit as hard as the 40 lbs heavier version, who later campaigned as a HW?

[BattlingNelson]

As a fully adult man of 24, Jimmy Ellis regularly weighed in under the MW limit.

Does anyone really believe, that this Ellis hit as hard as the 40 lbs heavier version, who later campaigned as a HW?

If I really put my mind to it, I reckon I could name 1 person believing just that.

[Bundana]

If I really put my mind to it, I reckon I could name 1 person believing just that.

LOL... you're right. I do believe, I too could come up with someone, who's convinced that this is the "truth" - if I thought long and hard enough!

[QueensburyRules]

- - Been announced that Roy doing a Youtube exhibition with NDO, one of their bodybuilders deluxe, so Apples to possibly have the final say in the matter of muscles' debate.

[them_apples]

LOL... you're right. I do believe, I too could come up with someone, who's convinced that this is the "truth" - if I thought long and hard enough!

Yes, when fighters put on weight and punch harder, that's called steroids.

The guys that put on weight, unless they naturally grew - wouldn't have really gained power. Strength perhaps and punch resistance perhaps. It just doesn't make sense, if you really closely think about it. If your muscles got bigger through fiber tearing (the inputs don't move, fibers build over top), but your frame and everything else didn't, you won't punch harder because a lot of a punch is based on velocity, technique and the weight of the Bone/Forearm/ fist. YOU MAY push harder, but you won't punch harder. You won't start knocking guys out. Who did?

Name a single case where the fighter wasn't obviously on steroids and naturally put on weight, and started hitting harder.

Foreman? (lost power as he got heavier) Norton? (lost power as he got heavier) Duran? same thing. At the very least they would be hitting the same.