Why is The Boxing Community so Nostalgic Compared to Other Sports Communities?

[QueensburyRules]

Probably because in literally EVERY other sport, the best teams face each other.

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[Sheldon312]

You asked "Why is The Boxing Community so Nostalgic Compared to Other Sports Communities"

You asked an interesting question but then went right to comparing the prowess of past to present fighters.

A topic we have beaten to death on this board.

You really were not asking why fight fans are more nostalgic, were you?

You were just using the question as yet another opportunity to challenge the old timers, and argue that the current fighters are just as good as the old timers. Maybe!

Maybe they are, but did I mention we have beaten this topic to death?

How about your actual question, WHY are WE more nostalgic?

It's about Us! The posters.

The question is not about how good past and current fighters compare to each other, (or at least it wasn't until you baited me into thinking it was.)

So has anyone got an opinion on why we are more nostalgic, or are all sport fans just as nostalgic?

As anyone who win between Looche and Crawford most would pick Looche

[max baer]

to answer the thread question i think it is because the heavyweight champion is nearly always a man of his times. louis and the **** schmeling mirroring the war. marciano reflecting the innocent happy fifties of the usa. Ali and the draft and the vietnam war and the peace movement. tyson and the excess of the eighties.
Fury and the idea of overcoming our demons and overcoming what would previously have killed us.
There seems to be a man for each era and like the us president and the pope, and possibly the fastest sprinter are known all around the world as a reflection of the days we live in.
I haven't explained this very well but you kinda get me??

[Willie Pep 229]

to answer the thread question i think it is because the heavyweight champion is nearly always a man of his times. louis and the **** schmeling mirroring the war. marciano reflecting the innocent happy fifties of the usa. Ali and the draft and the vietnam war and the peace movement. tyson and the excess of the eighties.
Fury and the idea of overcoming our demons and overcoming what would previously have killed us.
There seems to be a man for each era and like the us president and the pope, and possibly the fastest sprinter are known all around the world as a reflection of the days we live in.
I haven't explained this very well but you kinda get me??

Interesting!

You can go backwards as well:

Jimmy Braddock --> Cinderella Man --> Great Depression

Jack Dempsey --> 'Dare Devil Jack' --> Roaring Twenties

Jamws J. Corbett --> Gentleman Jim --> The Progessive: eugenics, science, professionalism

Jhon L. Sullivan --> rugged individualism; the last of Manifest Destiny.

[max baer]

Interesting!

You can go backwards as well:

Jimmy Braddock --> Cinderella Man --> Great Depression

Jack Dempsey --> 'Dare Devil Jack' --> Roaring Twenties

Jamws J. Corbett --> Gentleman Jim --> The Progessive: eugenics, science, professionalism

Jhon L. Sullivan --> rugged individualism; the last of Manifest Destiny.

absolutely spot on willie. there may be gaps but there does seem to be that kinda thing with hw champions reflecting the western society in their era. i could even add the seventies and the crack ******* and blackspoitation and starsky and hutch era and the holmes, lyle, shavers, foreman etc with their personal problems, all black great boxers who don king was exploiting during a backdrop of black civil disorder. all in the usa of course. it was all in the usa. we in britain think of the usa as our closest friends and we are led by american media entirely. i think americans don't see us the same way!

[DeeMoney]

to answer the thread question i think it is because the heavyweight champion is nearly always a man of his times. louis and the **** schmeling mirroring the war. marciano reflecting the innocent happy fifties of the usa. Ali and the draft and the vietnam war and the peace movement. tyson and the excess of the eighties.
Fury and the idea of overcoming our demons and overcoming what would previously have killed us.
There seems to be a man for each era and like the us president and the pope, and possibly the fastest sprinter are known all around the world as a reflection of the days we live in.
I haven't explained this very well but you kinda get me??

I have taught US history for many years, and I have encouraged several students to write papers as such, but often times it has a mix of athletes: especially baseball & boxing.

Babe Ruth, like Dempsey, was the Roaring 20s personified. And while Ali does encapsulate much of the turbulent late 1960s within his career, there are a lot of other athletes whose lives parallel the Civil Rights movement: Jackie Robinson early on Hank Aaron next. I think Magic Johnson, much like Tyson, is a good mirror for the '80s; a wealthy and flashy young superstar, brought low by the excess that he enjoyed. I have had some write about Ty Cobb being a representation of the Jim Crow South at the turn of the century, but thats actually just a myth perpetuated by Al Stump to sell books.

Still, we are all products of our time and athletes are no different in being representatives as such. Boxing, being one of the oldest spectator sports has had many opportunities to provide such examples.

[kara]

Funny thing is, most casual boxing fans I know - all they knows is Tyson, Ali, Marciano and Leonard.

[Razor Ramon]

I have to say it, boxing's got significantly worse than it was when I started following it on a serious level in 2005. Which was hardly considered a golden era at the time. Less fights generally, less significant fights, more A side vs B side one sided fights that would have been somewhere on the card 20 years ago but are now headlining to wring every last penny out of the fans, dwindling main stream interest, it's not a good time. Individual fights like the Munguia vs Derevyanchenko fight a couple of weeks ago are as good as boxing ever was but they're harder to find now.

If you look at Boxings coverage in 2005, just about everything was on Sky, which most people with a passing interest in sports have, and there was a bit on terrestrial TV. Now it's split across numerous platforms, fights with no business being on PPV are, I haven't kept track of the British or Commonwealth champions for ages now because it's impossible to follow their careers coming up anymore. If you go across to America, HBO's reduction in importance, and eventual exit from boxing, was a blow aswell. With HBO being the place to fight and make money for 30 years they had a sort of governing body effect where fights would happen, because they wanted them to. Not the limited talents signed to different platforms and fights aren't happening.

I'm not surpised long term fans are nostalgic for the past when I'm pining for the good old days of 2005

[max baer]

it is also true that clay came about at the time of beatle mania at the start of the sixties when kids were begining to be positive again after jfk death. clay posed with the fab four who were all new to fame and that got the decade off to a happy crazy start. Those photos of the fab 4 with clay reflected the time so well.
when the beatles got very serious about life and music clay became ali and vietnam happened. it kind of all reflected the same, the news, the sport of boxing, the music.
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Jack Johnson also reflected the era where he was angry at the colour line and was rubbing white men's noses in it (quite rightly in my opinion) by taking a white wife and showing off his status as a wealthy star.
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iron mike would buy a gold plated rolls royce with diamond gold wheels and then giving it to a lackey the next day who he only met the week before in harlem's dapper dans at 4am.
this is actually true, donald trump gave tyson his check for seven million dollars he paid him and mike just forgot to cash it as he misplaced his trousers and didn't even remember!!!
man the eighties was wealthy for some in the western world.

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the klitschko's represented the westernisation of the former soviet union after it's collapse and how people used to say in britain "the russians are coming with their huge wealth." We would call everyone who came from soviet countries "russian".

my fav era is the marciano period when the real best of america was drive in cinemas, the birth of rock'n'roll, the milkshakes burgers happy days fonzie era i love that.
it seemed so wholesome and innocent. like the period in the first back to the future movie, that's what i always loved about the states that 50's era.


happy days intro!!

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fury has come to represent the period of men breaking the stigma of stiff upper lip that causes so many suicides in the world. by men being more like sigma males rather then the old fashioned alpha males.
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some say our current period is too touchy feely. i wonder if i can guess the next hw champions era. maybe in 2028 a trans woman will knock out fury and we'll all truly be F****ED!!

[QueensburyRules]

I have taught US history for many years, and I have encouraged several students to write papers as such, but often times it has a mix of athletes: especially baseball & boxing.

Babe Ruth, like Dempsey, was the Roaring 20s personified. And while Ali does encapsulate much of the turbulent late 1960s within his career, there are a lot of other athletes whose lives parallel the Civil Rights movement: Jackie Robinson early on Hank Aaron next. I think Magic Johnson, much like Tyson, is a good mirror for the '80s; a wealthy and flashy young superstar, brought low by the excess that he enjoyed. I have had some write about Ty Cobb being a representation of the Jim Crow South at the turn of the century, but thats actually just a myth perpetuated by Al Stump to sell books.

Still, we are all products of our time and athletes are no different in being representatives as such. Boxing, being one of the oldest spectator sports has had many opportunities to provide such examples.

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