Tournament: Richard Steele vs Mills Lane

[Rockin']

In a boxing match who would you favor?

But who would be the referee of the bout? ....................Rockin'

[Slugfester]

You guys can get all the alternatives you want. This a referee tournament, remember? And please say who you are speaking of, I can't tell.

Steele was way too quick stopping fights. Two notable examples are Taylor/Chavez and Tyson/Ruddock 1, the first being nearly an actual crime. Chavez couldn't even have made back to Taylor for another punch before the final bell. Chavez needed a knockout and Steele gave it to him.

There will be other matches coming. See if we can get more votes. It will not let me vote or I already did. But I go with Mills Lane. He was one of my favorites.

[Slugfester]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n32138047]

Not a fan of Goldstein's eg Griffith v Paret, Johansson v Patterson1,Robinson v Turpin 2.
I picked Lane.

What do you see in Robinson/Turpin ll that irks you? We might have the same reasoning.

[Willie Pep 229]

You guys can get all the alternatives you want. This a referee tournament, remember? And please say who you are speaking of, I can't tell.

Steele was way too quick stopping fights. Two notable examples are Taylor/Chavez and Tyson/Ruddock 1, the first being nearly an actual crime. Chavez couldn't even have made back to Taylor for another punch before the final bell. Chavez needed a knockout and Steele gave it to him.

There will be other matches coming. See if we can get more votes. It will not let me vote or I already did. But I go with Mills Lane. He was one of my favorites.

No, I believe Chavez-Taylor was properly stopped.

The referee should never base a decision on 'time left in the round.' It is a three minute round, no exception.

Not only does Taylor fail to focus on, and answer Steele, but he never takes his hand off the rope. (Look at his left hand, mostly off screen but obviously extended along the top rope.)

Taylor NEEDS the rope to steady himself. Taylor is at that moment still not ready to fight. What would you have a referee do, stop the fight or count higher?

The time on the clock must be irrelevant or you will over-empower the referee.

I agree the Ruddock fight was stopped early. Difference being, no knockdown.

[The D3vil]

Mills Lane by far.

Steele was corrupt.

No way he stops Taylor/Chavez I for the B-side fighter.

He only stopped fights that benefited the A-Side fighter.

[Willie Pep 229]

Mills Lane by far.

Steele was corrupt.

No way he stops Taylor/Chavez I for the B-side fighter.

He only stopped fights that benefited the A-Side fighter.

I don't agree Chavez was the A Side fighter that night. Chavez was connected to Don King and Taylor to Dan Duva.

It was an HBO broadcast (not PPV) and HBO was looking for a long term relationship with the Duva family stable. Lou (trainer and manager) and son Dan (promoter).

It is why I believe the announcers that night (not Foreman) were the most bias I have ever heard them be.

Letterman's scoring and Lampley and Merchant's announcing was a set-up to prepare the audience for a Taylor win, even though he was taking a beating.

Have you ever noticed that Larry Merchant refused to get excited by Chavez's comeback KD only stating (about Taylor), "Well, if he gets up, he wins the fight." That's no way to announce a 12th round KD unless you don't want it to happen.

HBO wanted to sever relations with Don King in the worst way, so if there was a 'fix in' it was Steele acting directly with Don King. Which I doubt.

I believe there was a fix in that night, a set-up to cut off Don King, and two, to send Chavez back to Mexico a loser.

There was nothing for HBO to gain in a Chavez victory.

I would be interested to see how often HBO used Steele after that fight. That might tell us how HBO felt about the stoppage.

P.S. I taped both the HBO presentation and later that week I taped an ABC re-broadcast.

When you listen to the ABC re-broadcast it feels like a much closer fight when the announcers are not so slanted in their presentation.

On the ABC re-broadcast Dan Dierdorf gets excited and calls the 12th round KD like you would expect such an exciting ending to be called.

If you ever get the chance to compare the 12th round call from the two different groups, HBO/ABC you will hear how pro-Taylor the bias was at HBO.

No, I feel confident the A Side fighter that night was Dan Duva's guy, not Don King's.

HBO wanted King out in the worst way.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=Slugfester;n32138888]

What do you see in Robinson/Turpin ll that irks you? We might have the same reasoning.

I thought Turpin was covering up pretty well and Ray was missing nearly all of his shots,in his frantic effort to finish the fight,probably spurred on due to his eye injury.
I thought Goldstein let the Paret v Griffith fight go on too long .

He let Patterson take too much from Ingo ,when he was obviously out of it ,plus he was counting behind Patterson for some of the time. bad positioning.Patterson said when he got up he thought he had scored the kd.
When Floyd arose he was facing away from Ingo and the Swede him him in the throat from behind ,bad work from the ref. Ruby did not insist on Ingo being in a neutral corner either.

[Tatabanya]

I'd pick Frank Cappuccino, a competent and egoless referee.

[Slugfester]

I have thought about that Robinson fight for a long time. I have felt it was stopped too early. But after watching it a lot of times and counting punches I don't know what to think. Robby finally had him exactly where wanted him, hurt and disabled and unable to get out., and he was not going to stop. I think I still lean toward too early. It is of import how much time was left in the round to me. With only 8 seconds Randy might have survived. We don't have a good enough view to know how badly he was actually hurt. Goldstein could see his eyes, but hmmm...he had also made sort of a promise, hadn't he? Same thing intrhe other fight really--Steele could see his eyes. But his reputation precedes him.

[QueensburyRules]

I don't agree Chavez was the A Side fighter that night. Chavez was connected to Don King and Taylor to Dan Duva.

It was an HBO broadcast (not PPV) and HBO was looking for a long term relationship with the Duva family stable. Lou (trainer and manager) and son Dan (promoter).

It is why I believe the announcers that night (not Foreman) were the most bias I have ever heard them be.

Letterman's scoring and Lampley and Merchant's announcing was a set-up to prepare the audience for a Taylor win, even though he was taking a beating.

Have you ever noticed that Larry Merchant refused to get excited by Chavez's comeback KD only stating (about Taylor), "Well, if he gets up, he wins the fight." That's no way to announce a 12th round KD unless you don't want it to happen.

HBO wanted to sever relations with Don King in the worst way, so if there was a 'fix in' it was Steele acting directly with Don King. Which I doubt.

I believe there was a fix in that night, a set-up to cut off Don King, and two, to send Chavez back to Mexico a loser.

There was nothing for HBO to gain in a Chavez victory.

I would be interested to see how often HBO used Steele after that fight. That might tell us how HBO felt about the stoppage.

P.S. I taped both the HBO presentation and later that week I taped an ABC re-broadcast.

When you listen to the ABC re-broadcast it feels like a much closer fight when the announcers are not so slanted in their presentation.

On the ABC re-broadcast Dan Dierdorf gets excited and calls the 12th round KD like you would expect such an exciting ending to be called.

If you ever get the chance to compare the 12th round call from the two different groups, HBO/ABC you will hear how pro-Taylor the bias was at HBO.

No, I feel confident the A Side fighter that night was Dan Duva's guy, not Don King's.

HBO wanted King out in the worst way.

- - Taylor was only taking a beating after his fast start to begin the fight. Never scored it because of the end was completely legit KO that could've also been a DQ with Fat Duva on the ring apron screaming like the idjit he was distracting Taylor from Steele instructions.

It's a fact that without subsequent KO, Chavez loses a split decision...cards Here:

105-104 102-107 101-108