Tunny v Carpentier

[Bronson66]

You're talking about a different fight.

Caepentier didn't try to fix the fight the referee and judges and seconds did, not Carpentier.

I think your boy Klompton sounds like history lite. Knows all the stories he's been told.

The Incredible Harry Greb does not sound like an unbiased source. Sounds like a fairy-tale.

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[Willie Pep 229]

I posted this for interests sake, I have no dog in this fight.
Klompton is certainly not "my boy," I dislike him personally and he me ,but he is probably the man to go to re Greb.

I think Carpentier was as culpable for the fix with Siki as anyone.As I understand it knowing the fight was, "in the bag,"Georges did not train for the
fight,but when he began taking liberties with the Senegalese ,Siki got angry and began to get ambitious.


I neglected to separate what are two articles,if you go back and read my post again you will see that there are two authors.

No fight. I just want to paly iconoclast with Jab's love for Harry Greb. Just breaking balls.

Below is ChatGPT. It identifies both disputes. I was thinking about the 'in-ring' despute; you are mentioning a possible pre-fight fix. I was unaware of that; my ignorance.

If this fix is true then Battling Siki pulled off the classic double-cross. I hope he bet all the bribe money on himself to win. (If it is true.)

I love a good double-cross. I love prize fighting with all its w arts.

ChatGPT

Controversey

During the fight, Carpentier knocked Siki down multiple times early, but Siki rallied, knocking Carpentier down in the 6th round.

Carpentier was counted out, but the referee initially disqualified Siki, claiming he had fouled Carpentier.

The crowd protested loudly, and after chaos and discussion, the decision was reversed: Battling Siki was declared the winner by knockout, making him the first Black world light heavyweight champion.


Allegations:

It was widely rumored that the fight was fixed: Siki was supposedly paid to take a dive, but he refused to lose intentionally once in the ring.

Some accounts say Carpentier hit Siki low repeatedly, and when Siki retaliatedthe referee tried to use it as an excuse to rob him of the victory.


Aftermath:

The reversal shocked the French public, and Siki was celebrated briefly—but also marginalized.

The fight is remembered as an example of racial and national bias in boxing at the time, and possibly attempted corruption.

[Bronson66]

No fight. I just want to paly iconoclast with Jab's love for Harry Greb. Just breaking balls.

Below is ChatGPT. It identifies both disputes. I was thinking about the 'in-ring' despute; you are mentioning a possible pre-fight fix. I was unaware of that; my ignorance.

If this fix is true then Battling Siki pulled off the classic double-cross. I hope he bet all the bribe money on himself to win. (If it is true.)

I love a good double-cross. I love prize fighting with all its w arts.

ChatGPT

Controversey

During the fight, Carpentier knocked Siki down multiple times early, but Siki rallied, knocking Carpentier down in the 6th round.

Carpentier was counted out, but the referee initially disqualified Siki, claiming he had fouled Carpentier.

The crowd protested loudly, and after chaos and discussion, the decision was reversed: Battling Siki was declared the winner by knockout, making him the first Black world light heavyweight champion.


Allegations:

It was widely rumored that the fight was fixed: Siki was supposedly paid to take a dive, but he refused to lose intentionally once in the ring.

Some accounts say Carpentier hit Siki low repeatedly, and when Siki retaliatedthe referee tried to use it as an excuse to rob him of the victory.


Aftermath:

The reversal shocked the French public, and Siki was celebrated briefly—but also marginalized.

The fight is remembered as an example of racial and national bias in boxing at the time, and possibly attempted corruption.

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[solidman]

How good was Carpentier?

[Bronson66]

How good was Carpentier?

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[solidman]

I don't think his record stands up well,he was the scourge of a crop of mediocre British heavyweights,but his a record at light heavyweight is underwhelming.

And he is one of the best names on Dempseys record. I was hoping you would say he was a great fighter to make Dempsey look good.

[Bronson66]

And he is one of the best names on Dempseys record. I was hoping you would say he was a great fighter to make Dempsey look good.

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[Anomalocaris]

I don't think he is as good as Gibbons, Miske,Firpo ,or Brennan.

I never thought Bishop Brennan had a chance against Jack.

Dougal would have though.