Tyson v Foreman who wins in 1991?

[BKM-]

this is a good analysis and i think the style factors are correct but Foreman being slow footed in his 40s is a another factor and his ability to cut off the ring and prevent tyson from fighting at his distance is reduced and tysons speed on the way in means he is catching foreman a lot.

Foreman's slower feet are not a factor in this fight because he does not have to find Tyson in the ring, Tyson is literally coming right to his range and sweet spot with every attack.

You're thinking of the Holyfield, Morrison and Stewart fights where those guys came in with fast combinations and then stepped sideways or out of Foreman's counter-range. Yes, in those fights his slower feet were an issue. But Tyson never fought like that, could not fight like that, and is also much shorter with shorter arms than those guys.

Tyson is not gonna catch Foreman the way you describe because Foreman has about 6 inches of height and 7 inches of reach on him. Foreman will be extending his gloves and make contact with Tyson long before Tyson's fists can reach his face. Tyson will be "intercepted" and off balance every time. George was an expert at old school grappling-boxing. He would make the slightest push of the shoulders, elbows, side etc. where the opponent would be off balance and George stood ready to land a hard counter. He man handled everyone except Sonny Liston.

A radical style mismatch, not to mention the physical inferiority and maybe even the most important factor of all: Foreman's mental edge. Tyson had no heart and was terrified of George, Cus told him many stories that no swarmer can beat that man and Tyson had hours of footage of Foreman available to him in the Catskills. This guy was his boogie man.

Tyson's odds of winning this fight are close to 0%. The absolute worst, fattest version of Foreman does the same to the best version of Tyson.

[BKM-]

billeau2 understands Foreman's man handling ways better than most, hopefully he chimes in. When I was a kid I was confused watching Frazier demolished by Foreman thinking "Foreman is just pushing Joe constantly and then throwing uppercuts, this looks so basic and predictable how is Joe not able to deal with this?"

This video explains in detail the mastermind of Foreman's style

It saddens me that few people know that with Foreman we had the last of an era. a man who became a champ in the 90s using 19th century boxing techniques successfully it's so remarkable.

[solidman]

billeau2 understands Foreman's man handling ways better than most, hopefully he chimes in. When I was a kid I was confused watching Frazier demolished by Foreman thinking "Foreman is just pushing Joe constantly and then throwing uppercuts, this looks so basic and predictable how is Joe not able to deal with this?"

This video explains in detail the mastermind of Foreman's style

It saddens me that few people know that with Foreman we had the last of an era. a man who became a champ in the 90s using 19th century boxing techniques successfully it's so remarkable.

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[Willie Pep 229]

Poo poo

"Alright, let's calm down a bit over there."

[Biledriver]

It's more that old Foreman's handspeed is the issue rather than his footspeed. All the power in the world does you little good if your hands are too slow to land cleanly.

[QueensburyRules]

It was canceled because Foreman didn't want to deal with King. And it was only a proposal. If there was a contract you should be able to show a link to it. You won't because you can't. You don't deal in facts or logic, only inebriated delusions.

- - What, no contract to show by U? I don't subscribe to NY Times. U minder on strike?

Told U dumminess that Clayton was in charge of Tyson then who went on to the Buster upset which was orchestrated by King who was in his first stages of securing Mike's $50mil retirement account his HOF team put together.

[JAB5239]

- - What, no contract to show by U? I don't subscribe to NY Times. U minder on strike?

Told U dumminess that Clayton was in charge of Tyson then who went on to the Buster upset which was orchestrated by King who was in his first stages of securing Mike's $50mil retirement account his HOF team put together.

Lmao....so you have no proof (what a surprise) of some fight in China being signed, and now you're claiming King orchestrated his cash cows down fall?

[The D3vil]

That style was the very definition of one dimensional. If your only way to fight is to go forward with the same set of offense and defence, you are one dimensional.

It means that if you face even one guy big and strong enough to put you on the back foot, you're screwed. Because you will never be in balance for your offense.

This flasy style relies on being in mid range where you can hit your opponent while he can't hit you. As soon as Tyson is in mid range, he will be grappled by Foreman and he will never get set, have his offense muffled and be met with short hooks and uppercuts.

After even 2 or 3 moments of that in the opening round, Tyson will be desperate, get sloppy and lose his mind. I doubt this goes past round 1 and definitely not beyond round 2.

He literally is making the fight easier for Foreman who is an expert at cutting off the ring to land his offense. You could have asked Joe Frazier about that.

This style was very flashy but required a genetic freak to make it work, and it's so taxing on the body you will have a short career, and again if you meet a big slugger who can't be bullied and loves to take you into his world in close, you are screwed. That is why so many boxers learned this style but very few made it successful. It's very overrated.

You're literally describing Tyson POST-Kevin Rooney.

Literally none of that applies to Cus D'Amato/Kevin Rooney's fighter.

[Dr Z]

Would the Tyson who beat Ruddock have beaten the Foreman who fought Holyfield?

Tyson destroys him in 1991.

[QueensburyRules]

Lmao....so you have no proof (what a surprise) of some fight in China being signed, and now you're claiming King orchestrated his cash cows down fall?

- - Dum and gitting dummer. Need to get back to fleecing U customers after slipping them your Mickeys. Big News then and now out of your understanding like most of the rest of the Universe is.