Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[travestyny]

Now you pull a different record out of your wrinkled ass. McVey was a novice and went over 20 rounds with a prime Johnson. Little Burns lasted only 14 yet you tout his greatness. Kaufman lasted 11, Ketchel 12. I’d say McVey going over 20 is competitive. You’re splitting hairs and being petty, take that nap.

It's well known that McVey did not have only 10 fights when he first fought Johnson. You got corrected on this but you just don't like to accept facts when you have an agenda. Shameful, really.

[travestyny]

He carried fighters who were outmatched. Burns and Ketchel were much smaller, Jeffries was washed up. Yet he struggled with Battling Jim who was considered a notch below and should have lost that fight. A fight he agreed to for a mere $1,000 so he could avoid Jeannette for $20k.

Also false. NSC offered him 15,000 for Jeannette and he instead accepted $35000 for Moran. The Battling Jim fight (in which he broke his arm, which is why the Moran fight that was already scheduled was pushed) was to be a quick money grab in the between time but unfortunately he picked up the injury.

You really don't know anything about the history of Johnson, 0r you prefer to make up your own narrative. I wonder why.

[Bronson66]

Ill add to it. Langford was green and a buck 50. Learned from Johnson and was not near his prime. By the sounds of it Johnson figured Langford to be a monster, sighting his right hand was like a laser. That being said, he did beat Langford up pretty good according to Langford himself - but still, wasnāt an optimal matchup.

Langford 's weight was never confirmed neither was Johnson's .
The guestimates were Langford 156lbs Johnson185lbs.

Moyle considers Langford's best weight to have been175/180lbs, so he was some twenty pounds below his optimal weight ,Johnson stated he was in the condition of his life when he faced Jeffries for which fight he was 208lbs,so he was about 23lbs below his
Langford had the more experience with 56 fights to Johnson's 46 but Johnson had fought more heavyweights.
Johnson broke Langford's nose floored him3 times for long 9 counts and cut his eye.Its said he did not try for the stoppage,which may, or may not be true.
Nobody suggests this is one of Johnson's best victories, Langford improved after this,does anyone think Johnson didn't?

[Bronson66]

Any articles or more info on this? Never heard this before

Definitely no articles will be forthcoming!lol

[Bronson66]

McVey wasn’t great, he relied heavily on clinching and wrestling too. But a novice McVey going over 20 rounds with prime Johnson was more competitive than Flynn, Burns, Kaufman, Moran, Fitzsimmons….all wins Ivich likes to boast about.

My ringside reports prove McVey was not competitive in any of their 3 fights.But ignore them,its what you do.
I've no need to boast, I've actually done some research into Johnson's career and my name is in Pollack 1st Johnson volume in acknowledgement of the information I provided.

Now can we see a primary sourced ringside report that states Johnson was lucky to get the nod over Battling Jim?
Personal question.
Are you related to Mendoza/DrZ/Match Maker?
I ask because you have the same phobic hate agenda.

[them_apples]

Langford 's weight was never confirmed neither was Johnson's .
The guestimates were Langford 156lbs Johnson185lbs.

Moyle considers Langford's best weight to have been175/180lbs, so he was some twenty pounds below his optimal weight ,Johnson stated he was in the condition of his life when he faced Jeffries for which fight he was 208lbs,so he was about 23lbs below his
Langford had the more experience with 56 fights to Johnson's 46 but Johnson had fought more heavyweights.
Johnson broke Langford's nose floored him3 times for long 9 counts and cut his eye.Its said he did not try for the stoppage,which may, or may not be true.
Nobody suggests this is one of Johnson's best victories, Langford improved after this,does anyone think Johnson didn't?

I believe this, the Photo of Langford beside Louis, he just seems way to solid in frame and width to have ever been a natty welter or Jr Mw. Heā€™s probably the widest, lowest build I have ever seen, in any sport for that matter. A bit of a freak. Hes almost as wide as he is tall.

[GhostofDempsey]

My ringside reports prove McVey was not competitive in any of their 3 fights.But ignore them,its what you do.
I've no need to boast, I've actually done some research into Johnson's career and my name is in Pollack 1st Johnson volume in acknowledgement of the information I provided.

Now can we see a primary sourced ringside report that states Johnson was lucky to get the nod over Battling Jim?
Personal question.
Are you related to Mendoza/DrZ/Match Maker?
I ask because you have the same phobic hate agenda.

There is no agenda. Maybe brain fog is settling on you because I’ve explained it to you several times. Why was your Ivich account banned? Why did a mod start a tread here referring your inability to get along and settle your needs? Why were you banned on another prominent boxing site? You see a pattern here? You and your little sister here are unable to get along with anyone who challenges you or presents factual sources that prove you wrong. You’re incapable of humility or admitting when you’re wrong. Two stubborn fools who always know the wrong answer. Always deflecting, refusing to provide a straight answer and the. Ignoring or dismissing other’s sources while repeating yourselves. It’s a pattern and no coincidence that the two of you are always locked in some online beef with various posters. Especially the other lying cheerleader riding your 3-incher.

[travestyny]

There is no agenda. Maybe brain fog is settling on you because I’ve explained it to you several times. Why was your Ivich account banned? Why did a mod start a tread here referring your inability to get along and settle your needs? Why were you banned on another prominent boxing site? You see a pattern here? You and your little sister here are unable to get along with anyone who challenges you or presents factual sources that prove you wrong. You’re incapable of humility or admitting when you’re wrong. Two stubborn fools who always know the wrong answer. Always deflecting, refusing to provide a straight answer and the. Ignoring or dismissing other’s sources while repeating yourselves. It’s a pattern and no coincidence that the two of you are always locked in some online beef with various posters. Especially the other lying cheerleader riding your 3-incher.

Holy projection!!!!

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=GhostofDempsey;n32493166]

There is no agenda. Maybe brain fog is settling on you because I’ve explained it to you several times. Why was your Ivich account banned? Why did a mod start a tread here referring your inability to get along and settle your needs? Why were you banned on another prominent boxing site? You see a pattern here? You and your little sister here are unable to get along with anyone who challenges you or presents factual sources that prove you wrong. You’re incapable of humility or admitting when you’re wrong. Two stubborn fools who always know the wrong answer. Always deflecting, refusing to provide a straight answer and the. Ignoring or dismissing other’s sources while repeating yourselves. It’s a pattern and no coincidence that the two of you are always locked in some online beef with various posters. ..Quote
No reply to my request for a primary source that says Johnson was lucky to get the decision over Battling Jim.No surprise there!
You don't offer any primary sources, ever.
I'm not banned anywhere.

You've no answer to all the verified proof that's posted to counter your hate campaign.

Now you resort to childish insults, as I predicted you would.
I'm locked into no beef, I'm currently ignoring an absolute ******* of personal abuse from a poster who last week, on another forum assured me without any prompting, he would always say good things about me , and spoke very negatively about this forum.
I was polite to you until you began the personal stuff .

Which straight answers have I failed to provide ?
I spent 20 minutes posting primary sources that blew your claim that
McVey was competitive with Johnson , totally out of the water .
McVey barely won a round in3 fights for a total of 60 rounds!
But you had neither the class ,or the balls to admit you were wrong.
I've zero respect for you ,you're just an ignorant hater.
This kind of stuff below is what I'd expect from a kid!
."riding on your three incher"
Well Kid BYE!

[Bronson66]

I believe this, the Photo of Langford beside Louis, he just seems way to solid in frame and width to have ever been a natty welter or Jr Mw. Heās probably the widest, lowest build I have ever seen, in any sport for that matter. A bit of a freak. Hes almost as wide as he is tall.

Five feet seven with a 44 in chest.A sawn off heavyweight. Clay Moyle states his best weight was 175lbs/180lbs,but he was often in the mid to high 190's where his lack of height became a serious problem against the tall ,good jabbers .