Boxing Historians Do You Think Manny Pacquiao Has Ever Take Steroids Or Performing E.

[Jim Jeffries]

You can't convince me Manny doesn't care about money. Clottey's purse split speaks volumes.

So what do you think would be a fair purse split between the greatest fighter in the world and Joshua Clottey, who doesn't even have a title any more to bargain with?

[Hannibal Barca]

So what do you think would be a fair purse split between the greatest fighter in the world and Joshua Clottey, who doesn't even have a title any more to bargain with?

First of all, I don't think Manny's the greatest fighter in the world. I personally believe that title belongs to Mayweather Jr., and after him Mosley. Manny's a great fighter, but his 7 titles don't impress me as much as it does most. A few of those titles were kind of BS imo. Titles hardly anyone's heard of, against fighters hardly anyones heard of. But I'm getting off topic, I apologize.

55/45 or 60/40 though. I personally don't even think the fight should have been made. I think Clottey gets massacred.

[Hannibal Barca]

I wholeheartedly agree with this and I hope the boxing commissions are listening. It's about time.

So you agree that boxing needs more stringent testing, but don't agree with Mayweather's proposal?

[koboy]

So you agree that boxing needs more stringent testing, but don't agree with Mayweather's proposal?

When did I say that I don't agree with Mayweather's proposal? Link please.

[Hannibal Barca]

When did I say that I don't agree with Mayweather's proposal? Link please.

No link, but considering your stance about Mayweather's testing demands, I'd assumed you'd agreed with Manny refusing the proposal.

[koboy]

No link, but considering your stance about Mayweather's testing demands, I'd assumed you'd agreed with Manny refusing the proposal.

What do you think my stance is with regards to Mayweather's testing demands?

[wmute]

You're right. I think he wanted 52/48 but again, I think this was more about pride, billing, and importance because both parties threatened to walk at 50/50.

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but asking for more money is hardly an evidence of not caring about money. The ulterior motives you mention are speculation

We have Manny turning down drug test and a lot of money. In the past he acted petty about money. Whatever his motives were, that certainly does not point out to him not caring about money (something which is also very rare all across humankind), and the only lesson one can take from his past behavior about money is that not taking the drug test was awfully important to him.

[koboy]

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but asking for more money is hardly an evidence of not caring about money. The ulterior motives you mention are speculation

We have Manny turning down drug test and a lot of money. In the past he acted petty about money. Whatever his motives were, that certainly does not point out to him not caring about money (something which is also very rare all across humankind), and the only lesson one can take from his past behavior about money is that not taking the drug test was awfully important to him.

The drug test that was demanded by PBF, one of the smartest men in boxing, in and out of the ring. PBF is the consumate fighter who always thinks about winning, in and out of the ring. Whether it is during contract negotiations, promotions, pre-fight hype, weigh-ins, up to the time he touches gloves in the ring on fight night. If he can beat you mentally at any time, he will. That is what makes him so hard to beat. And I have no problem with that. It's all a part of boxing, one of the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous sports in the planet. If you defeat a man before he even steps in the ring, you've won half the battle. In every fight, Floyd has a two part strategy. First, get into your opponent's head and second, kick his ass in the ring. This is why PBF is undefeated. He beats you in and out of the ring.

I firmly believe that this was all about gamesmanship gone awry and had nothing to do about PEDs, drugs, etc.,. If he really wanted to clean the sport he could have started with his comeback fight with JMM and made it his mantra. It would have been the perfect MO to win fans again. "PBF is back to clean up the sport of boxing, blah, blah."

Why only request it with Pacquiao and not with JMM, who he fought for his comeback fight? Here's why, in my opinion.

After fighting each other in a closely contested rematch, both JMM and Pacquiao moved up, winning in impressive fashions. Actually, in my opinion, JMM's victories over Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz were far more impressive than Pacquiao's victory over the limited David Diaz and a weight drained ODLH.

The difference between the two is that JMM was at the tail end of his prime, while Manny at 30, was just basking in his. And PBF knew this. That JMM was no threat anymore and at 146, was even less of a threat. Hence, no request.

With Manny, he saw a fighter who is on the rise and a much greater risk to his unbeaten record. It doesn't mean he thinks that Manny can beat him, he just thinks between the two, Manny has a better chance than JMM.

Manny proved it even more with the annihilation of Ricky Hatton in two and the stunning TKO over Miguel Cotto. PBF needed every advantage that he could get and if it meant that he defeats Manny mentally before they step in the ring, so be it. You must remember, it's always been a part of PBF's strategy. He's doing it right now against Shane, bringing up his divorce and other personal matters. The mental beatdown of Ricky Hatton was one of the best since Ali called Frazier a "big ugly gorilla" on live tv. In fact, he turned Hatton from a down-to-earth guy to one of the most annoying persons in the planet. PBF got into Hatton's head so much he didn't know who he was anymore. Ricky's behaviour at the weigh-ins was so uncharacteristic, even Teddy Atlas said that PBF had won this round.

PBF may talk brash and trash talk his opponents, but once he steps in the ring, its all business and professionalism for PBF. In the ring, the 2nd phase of his strategy kicks in, which is, the boxing gameplan, which always works to perfection. Watch the way he dismantled Hatton in RDs 4 and 8 after giving Ricky abit of confidence in the early rounds.

PBF is the smartest man in boxing, in and out of the ring. Unfortunately, his plan backfired. He was dealing with a man from a different culture with a different set of values, morals and traditions. I'm not saying they're the right values or morals, but what I'm saying it's different from what PBF and his team were accustomed to. Culture matters, especially in business. Particularly in business, I should say. There are protocols. And this was a business deal gone bad.

I have no doubt, however, that if and when the NSAC or any boxing commission where Pacquiao is fighting implement random blood and urine testing, he will comply. No doubt. I'm not saying he will pass, but he will comply.

For the record, I think PBF beats both Shane and Manny by UD. Unfortunately for me, I'm rooting for both Shane and Manny.

Also, when was Manny petty about money? Is asking for a raise that you deserve being petty?

[wmute]

The drug test that was demanded by PBF, one of the smartest men in boxing, in and out of the ring. PBF is the consumate fighter who always thinks about winning, in and out of the ring. Whether it is during contract negotiations, promotions, pre-fight hype, weigh-ins, up to the time he touches gloves in the ring on fight night. If he can beat you mentally at any time, he will. That is what makes him so hard to beat. And I have no problem with that. It's all a part of boxing, one of the most dangerous, if not the most dangerous sports in the planet. If you defeat a man before he even steps in the ring, you've won half the battle. In every fight, Floyd has a two part strategy. First, get into your opponent's head and second, kick his ass in the ring. This is why PBF is undefeated. He beats you in and out of the ring.

I firmly believe that this was all about gamesmanship gone awry and had nothing to do about PEDs, drugs, etc.,. If he really wanted to clean the sport he could have started with his comeback fight with JMM and made it his mantra. It would have been the perfect MO to win fans again. "PBF is back to clean up the sport of boxing, blah, blah."

Why only request it with Pacquiao and not with JMM, who he fought for his comeback fight? Here's why, in my opinion.

After fighting each other in a closely contested rematch, both JMM and Pacquiao moved up, winning in impressive fashions. Actually, in my opinion, JMM's victories over Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz were far more impressive than Pacquiao's victory over the limited David Diaz and a weight drained ODLH.

The difference between the two is that JMM was at the tail end of his prime, while Manny at 30, was just basking in his. And PBF knew this. That JMM was no threat anymore and at 146, was even less of a threat. Hence, no request.

With Manny, he saw a fighter who is on the rise and a much greater risk to his unbeaten record. It doesn't mean he thinks that Manny can beat him, he just thinks between the two, Manny has a better chance than JMM.

Manny proved it even more with the annihilation of Ricky Hatton in two and the stunning TKO over Miguel Cotto. PBF needed every advantage that he could get and if it meant that he defeats Manny mentally before they step in the ring, so be it. You must remember, it's always been a part of PBF's strategy. He's doing it right now against Shane, bringing up his divorce and other personal matters. The mental beatdown of Ricky Hatton was one of the best since Ali called Frazier a "big ugly gorilla" on live tv. In fact, he turned Hatton from a down-to-earth guy to one of the most annoying persons in the planet. PBF got into Hatton's head so much he didn't know who he was anymore. Ricky's behaviour at the weigh-ins was so uncharacteristic, even Teddy Atlas said that PBF had won this round.

PBF may talk brash and trash talk his opponents, but once he steps in the ring, its all business and professionalism for PBF. In the ring, the 2nd phase of his strategy kicks in, which is, the boxing gameplan, which always works to perfection. Watch the way he dismantled Hatton in RDs 4 and 8 after giving Ricky abit of confidence in the early rounds.

PBF is the smartest man in boxing, in and out of the ring. Unfortunately, his plan backfired. He was dealing with a man from a different culture with a different set of values, morals and traditions. I'm not saying they're the right values or morals, but what I'm saying it's different from what PBF and his team were accustomed to. Culture matters, especially in business. Particularly in business, I should say. There are protocols. And this was a business deal gone bad.

I have no doubt, however, that if and when the NSAC or any boxing commission where Pacquiao is fighting implement random blood and urine testing, he will comply. No doubt. I'm not saying he will pass, but he will comply.

For the record, I think PBF beats both Shane and Manny by UD. Unfortunately for me, I'm rooting for both Shane and Manny.

Also, when was Manny petty about money? Is asking for a raise that you deserve being petty?

Anything in my post about Mayweather? No. So how did you pile up all that long post?

Did you address the fact that there is ZERO evidence that Pacquiao does not like money (besides his turning down the Mayweather fight over the drug test) and if anything there is evidence of the contrary? No. So what's exactly your point?

So let me reply to the only part which is related to my post. When anyone start bitching about something that had been in ink for a while, I call that petty. Robinson threatened to pull out of a fight on fight night over money, I would call that petty.

Finally, how do you know he "deserved a raise" against Hatton and Oscar? Maybe you meant to say "Is asking for a raise that you think you deserve being petty?"

EDIT: not that i particularly disagree with what you wrote, but it's a bit unrelated with the point we were discussing, don't you think?

[Hannibal Barca]

Anything in my post about Mayweather? No. So how did you pile up all that long post?

Did you address the fact that there is ZERO evidence that Pacquiao does not like money (besides his turning down the Mayweather fight over the drug test) and if anything there is evidence of the contrary? No. So what's exactly your point?

So let me reply to the only part which is related to my post. When anyone start bitching about something that had been in ink for a while, I call that petty. Robinson threatened to pull out of a fight on fight night over money, I would call that petty.

Finally, how do you know he "deserved a raise" against Hatton and Oscar? Maybe you meant to say "Is asking for a raise that you think you deserve being petty?"

EDIT: not that i particularly disagree with what you wrote, but it's a bit unrelated with the point we were discussing, don't you think?

Good post.

But again, regardless of what anyone says. Any man who's that against being tested for PED's deserves whatever criticism he receives afterwards.