Did Joe Frazier Duck The Big Punchers of His Era?

[boxing boy]

It's not really difficult to understand why futch and durham would want to protect their delicate little flower though,is it?

frazier may not have even worked his way to a title shot had he been placed in the ring with a puncher earlier in his career.

I think we all agree that Foreman was the hardest punching Heavyweight Champion of all-time.

Frazier may not have even worked his way to a title shot had he been placed in the ring with a puncher earlier in his carreer? You have to be kidding me? After only fighting pro for about 1 year,and 10 fights he fought and beat hard punching Oscar Bonevena.He beat Bonevena again in a rematch.Frazier fought and cleaned out the Heavyweight division before knocking out Jimmy Ellis in 4 rounds to win the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

Please name these hard punchers he could have fought on his way to the Heavyweight Championship?

[prinzemanspopa]

I think we all agree that Foreman was the hardest punching Heavyweight Champion of all-time.

Frazier may not have even worked his way to a title shot had he been placed in the ring with a puncher earlier in his carreer? You have to be kidding me? After only fighting pro for about 1 year,and 10 fights he fought and beat hard punching Oscar Bonevena.He beat Bonevena again in a rematch.Frazier fought and cleaned out the Heavyweight division before knocking out Jimmy Ellis in 4 rounds to win the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

Please name these hard punchers he could have fought on his way to the Heavyweight Championship?

No world class fighter with a chin gets put down six times in two rounds.foreman was the first puncher frazier ever fought and he was beaten and humiliated.


We don't know how frazier would have fared against other punchers.frazier only ever fought one puncher his entire career and his chin couldn't hold up either time.



frazier never,at any point in his career managed to clear out his division.He ducked the tournament to crown a new champion.All the best heavyweights bar frazier entered.



Ellis was coming off a very long layoff.

[boxing boy]

[QUOTE=prinzemanspopa;8403069]No world class fighter with a chin gets put down six times in two rounds.foreman was the first puncher frazier ever fought and he was beaten and humiliated.


We don't know how frazier would have fared against other punchers.frazier only ever fought one puncher his entire career and his chin couldn't hold up either time.



frazier never,at any point in his career managed to clear out his division.He ducked the tournament to crown a new champion.All the best heavyweights bar frazier entered.
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Are you aware that Frazier had a flat out offer to fight George Forman for 800,000 dollars,or Muhammad Ali for 5 million dollars in a rematch?

It really looks like Frazier avoided the big puncher?

Frazier did not enter the tournament that had Quarry and Ellis in the finals.Frazier destroyed both! He also beat Bonevena twice,who was in the tournament! He also destroyed unbeaten Buster Mathis. Frazier was superior to everyone in the tournament,and proved it! Your grasping at straws my friend. Keep coming up with some new ones old chap,lol

[JAB5239]

I think we all agree that Foreman was the hardest punching Heavyweight Champion of all-time.

Frazier may not have even worked his way to a title shot had he been placed in the ring with a puncher earlier in his carreer? You have to be kidding me? After only fighting pro for about 1 year,and 10 fights he fought and beat hard punching Oscar Bonevena.He beat Bonevena again in a rematch.Frazier fought and cleaned out the Heavyweight division before knocking out Jimmy Ellis in 4 rounds to win the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

Please name these hard punchers he could have fought on his way to the Heavyweight Championship?

Don't bother asking for a logical reason, you won't get one. I've already tore every argument up he could come up with. A simple time line explains why these fights he insists Frazier ducked, did not occur.

[prinzemanspopa]

Was I aware that frazier ducked a rematch with Ali? Yes,of course.I have brought it up many a times.


foreman had been the number one contender to frazier's title for quite a while until frazier did eventually step into the ring with foreman.foreman really wasn't regarded that highly by the mainstream boxing media either.



I do hope that you are aware that frazier fought Quarry in july of 1969 and Ellis(coming off a long layoff) in february 1970.Quite a while after the tournament actually finished actually.






Mathis was not a top ten ranked contender.

[mickey malone]

prinzemanspoper
No world class fighter with a chin, was ever able to get back up 5 times after getting put down six times in two rounds by foreman.. He was the 6th puncher frazier had fought and he was beaten, but not humiliated in the same way as Michael Moorer who remained plastered to the canvas after just one punch from the 45 year old Foreman.
Frazier had an incredible chin, and had it not been for the referee would have been quite prepared to die in there..

I took the liberty of correcting you on a couple of points..

[prinzemanspopa]

prinzemanspoper
No world class fighter with a chin, was ever able to get back up 5 times after getting put down six times in two rounds by foreman.. He was the 6th puncher frazier had fought and he was beaten, but not humiliated in the same way as Michael Moorer who remained plastered to the canvas after just one punch from the 45 year old Foreman.
Frazier had an incredible chin, and had it not been for the referee would have been quite prepared to die in there..

I took the liberty of correcting you on a couple of points..

Not sure why,did a rather poor job in trying to make your point to be honest.

That right hand that foreman clocked Moorer with was a hell of alot cleaner and delivered with greater impact than the glancing shots that managed to connect with frazier's glass jaw.


Six times in two rounds against the only puncher he ever fought and down eleven overall in just thirty seven fights.

[mickey malone]

Not sure why,did a rather poor job in trying to make your point to be honest.

That right hand that foreman clocked Moorer with was a hell of alot cleaner and delivered with greater impact than the glancing shots that managed to connect with frazier's glass jaw.


Six times in two rounds against the only puncher he ever fought and down eleven overall in just thirty seven fights.

I'm afraid you've fallen on your sword.. The video evidence that you supplied, clearly shows Frazier getting hit with TWO monster right-hand uppercuts, that both land 100% flush.. The punch that took out Moorer was almost telegraphed in comparison; well of course it was, Foreman was a grandfather by then..

[CarlosG815]

prinzemanspoper
No world class fighter with a chin, was ever able to get back up 5 times after getting put down six times in two rounds by foreman.. He was the 6th puncher frazier had fought and he was beaten, but not humiliated in the same way as Michael Moorer who remained plastered to the canvas after just one punch from the 45 year old Foreman.
Frazier had an incredible chin, and had it not been for the referee would have been quite prepared to die in there..

I took the liberty of correcting you on a couple of points..

Nice, Mick

[prinzemanspopa]

I'm afraid you've fallen on your sword.. The video evidence that you supplied, clearly shows Frazier getting hit with TWO monster right-hand uppercuts, that both land 100% flush.. The punch that took out Moorer was almost telegraphed in comparison; well of course it was, Foreman was a grandfather by then..

The video that I supplied shows frazier getting knocked down six times in two rounds.Most of the knockdowns came from grazing shots.


Michael Moorer was known for having a glass jaw.Nobody is delusional enough to argue that he had an "incredible" chin.


fighters with incredible chin's don't get knocked down six times in two rounds.fighters with great chins don't even get knocked down six times in their entire careers.