Greater fighter, Harry Wills or Sam Langford?

[billeau2]

- - Dempsey was a bum riding the rails until Kearns saw him and made him into a Star for the Ages with substantial Rickard help.

He had no power, no wealth, no nothing but a willingness to fight, and point in fact when he elected to leave Kearns to make the Wills fight while being financed as a movie star in Hollywood, Kearns filed suits attaching his bank account meaning he had to operate his finances through a 3rd party.

Had that been the Vietnam War draft he stood up to like Ali, he'd be lauded to the hilt, but instead it was the financial structure in 1920s boxing that he stood up to, and now he's old and forgotten for noobs like you to ask such questions.

In the end, he ushered in boxing as a spectacle sport generating huge sums at the gate and wagering outfits, becaming an all time legend.

When are U gonna correct the bankrupt ills of your country? How hard are U working to that end?

We wanna flow chart...

Oh come on Queeny! he was a "young bum" riding the rails with a killer mentality and tremendous potential. So yeah, as he developed he became the great fighter, the spectacle that the heavyweight champ was to become.

[billeau2]

It doesn't make the fight magically appear - but Tunney-Wills (in '25 or early '26) would have been an elimination fight and with a Wills' victory Tex Rickard would have been pressured into finally making the Wills-Dempsey fight he should have made back in 1922.

So I believe if Wills beats Tunney he finally gets Dempsey in fall 1926 with Rickard promoting.

Also the NYSAC would have been on board, Muldoon gone, Farley in, the fight would have been in the Polo Grounds or if there was still dispute over ticket price ceilings, then at Boyles Thirty-Acres in New Jersey.

Yea, I got to say, if Wills fights Tunney, beats him, he likely gets his shot.

But yes you can argue he deserved that shot back in 1922, and if not then, then definitely in '24 after defeating Firpo.

That is a big if Pep! IF I campaign really well I may dethrone Queeny as the mayor of Crazyville, but that would take quite an effort? Tunney was Tunney... The nice irish kid with the winning smile, and the decency to bring mrs Murphy a quart of Stout for the asking? NO!!! Tunney and his friends for fun would wait for a large ship to take sail in the Hudson, stow, and when a bit from shore, jump into the Hudson river and swim ashore... I thought kids were tough in New York in my generation!! We just did human sculpting with black jacks and baseball bats... ok sometimes the baseball bats had nails through them...

[Ivich]

- - Dempsey was a bum riding the rails until Kearns saw him and made him into a Star for the Ages with substantial Rickard help.

He had no power, no wealth, no nothing but a willingness to fight, and point in fact when he elected to leave Kearns to make the Wills fight while being financed as a movie star in Hollywood, Kearns filed suits attaching his bank account meaning he had to operate his finances through a 3rd party.

Had that been the Vietnam War draft he stood up to like Ali, he'd be lauded to the hilt, but instead it was the financial structure in 1920s boxing that he stood up to, and now he's old and forgotten for noobs like you to ask such questions.

In the end, he ushered in boxing as a spectacle sport generating huge sums at the gate and wagering outfits, becaming an all time legend.

When are U gonna correct the bankrupt ills of your country? How hard are U working to that end?

We wanna flow chart...

Jack Dempsey is my favourite fighter.
I bought a collection of his fights on Super8mm in the 1960's when you were still in your Dad's ball bag, you silly man
Dempsey didnt leave Kearns to make the Wills fight, that's BS!
Kearns got 50% of Dempsey's purses and often spent some of it before Dempsey got a smell of it.
Their relationship began to sour irrevocably when Estelle Taylor came on the scene and came to an abrupt end over a row in the Montmartre Club on Hollywood Boulevard,a drunk Kearns called Taylor a whore and said he would produce evidence of her past that would prove it,she had been around the block a few times ,he had hired an investigator to dig up the dirt on her. Dempsey tried to mediate and said their agreement could continue but with Kearns in future getting 35% instead of 50,Kearns refused.They ceased speaking for 35 years.

Dempsey remained inactive in the ring until his contract with Kearns expired {August1926] .Dempsey issued the following press statement " I will fight Harry Wills for any promoter we can induce Paddy Mullins[Wills manager],to sign a fair contract for a match."

In the summer of 1925James Farley Chairman of the NYSAC invited Dempsey to an executive session to discuss his inactivity and the prospect of a match with Wills.Dempsey did not respond to the invitation.
In reply Farley stated ,"we have deemed it best not to take any action at this time".

The nearest Dempsey got to a Wills fight was the Fitzsimmons offer of a million dollars for Jack and a $50,000 guarantee for Wills plus a % of the gate.
Dempsey was to receive $300,000 on his name being signed on the contract the rest to be paid after Jack was in the Ring.
Dempsey accepted the deal Fitzsimmons and Dempsey met ,Fitzsimmons gave Jack a chequefor$25,000 saying ."thats all Ive got at the ,moment Jack you'll get the 275,000 later,"

Dempsey acting as his own manager said ,I'll hold on to the contract, and when you come up with the rest I'll sign it," Jack went to cash the $25,000 but it bounced,whereupon Dempsey walked away.

I'm a noob?
I've been watching fights, reading about them ,going to them, and boxing myself for over 50 years, you little TURD!

[QueensburyRules]

Oh come on Queeny! he was a "young bum" riding the rails with a killer mentality and tremendous potential. So yeah, as he developed he became the great fighter, the spectacle that the heavyweight champ was to become.

- - If you wanna dum it down to sum it up, well OK.

Still remains that Sam was always the greater fighter as shown on hundreds of media great lists. Harry was the greater intellect if that is any salve for wounded feelings.