Would Marciano be too small for today's heavyweight division ?

[Dr. Z]

Saying that is the only reason he lost is an opinion, and an opinion that could have been put to rest had he sought a rematch. You can't even pinpoint when he was hurt in the fight. HBO says the corner said something about it around the 7th round, I don't remember exactly off hand. Queenie says he was already injured and needed surgery before the fight. These are excuses. Byrd landed the punch that injured Vits. Both he and his trainer state this. And the fact remains, he never stopped throwing that left hand and still only landed 8 more punches the entire fight while being made to miss more than he ever had before or after Byrd. It doesn't matter if he won every second of every round, he still lost. How anyone can excuse him for not making a rematch but letting g little bro take care of business is beyond me. If you lose you lose. Quitting and not rematching just leaves a bigger stain.

I know that is the reason why he lost. Byrd was not hurting him, nor did he close to the lead in the lead after 9 rounds! He was well behind an injured Vital Klitschko boxing with a torn should that required surgery. Vitali is tough, and fought hurt. For many rounds. As I told you there was mention he hurt in the corner in round three on the intial HBO broadcast. Therefore it is likely the injury happened sometime in round three and got worse at the ending.

As I said Vitali didn't know how the press would act and if the fight was for higher stakes I think he passes on. He did win a fights with the same injury later in his career, but it wasn't as bad.

I told you the reason why the was not re-match. A certain wire haired promoter being the reason why. Vitali was afraid of nobody, let alone Chris Byrd.

Winning as many rounds as he did is impressively vs a Byrd who was a sub in with less than two weeks notice due to Vital's initial opponent backing out as he claims with a reverse vasectomy that went awry.

Vitali did not have Don King with him to rematch Byrd and Lewis who retired rather than fight Vitali This is a Lewis who told the press he would re-match Vitali many times. At any rate we are not going agree. Yeah he lost because he retied BUT was well ahead on the cards with a document and painful injury. You can at least admit that. Evader Holyfield who is about as tough as they come quit in his corner before his fight was halted to a no contest due to a clash of heads v Sherman at the it final conclusion.

With your inflexibility on the issue a, you come off with the issue as a hater. But you are A-okay with me.

[QueensburyRules]

Right, but what would have made Sanders "legendary"? It's just more ridiculous hyperbole by Queenie. I was on AOL from 96 onward ans Sanders was no legend there.

I can agree about the Rahman fight and risk reward you speak of. But Theresa's clearly no duck as Sanders could never push the limits far enough to get him ranked and make a fight. Had he beat Rahman we may be having g a totally different conversation.

- - And of all our posters that I befriended there NOI Dan the Boof, I don't remember U from squat.

- - Been 'splained to U too much leaded water noggin that he fell under the SA boycott, hence boxing only part time. He has the best scalp of his era and lost back to back against the second best scalp of that era to Vit in a top shelf slugfest.

But U never say what grade U was in then and how many times U parents cut U internet.

[JAB5239]

I know that is the reason why he lost. Byrd was not hurting him, nor did he close to the lead in the lead after 9 rounds! He was well behind an injured Vital Klitschko boxing with a torn should that required surgery. Vitali is tough, and fought hurt. For many rounds. As I told you there was mention he hurt in the corner in round three on the intial HBO broadcast. Therefore it is likely the injury happened sometime in round three and got worse at the ending.

As I said Vitali didn't know how the press would act and if the fight was for higher stakes I think he passes on. He did win a fights with the same injury later in his career, but it wasn't as bad.

I told you the reason why the was not re-match. A certain wire haired promoter being the reason why. Vitali was afraid of nobody, let alone Chris Byrd.

Winning as many rounds as he did is impressively vs a Byrd who was a sub in with less than two weeks notice due to Vital's initial opponent backing out as he claims with a reverse vasectomy that went awry.

Vitali did not have Don King with him to rematch Byrd and Lewis who retired rather than fight Vitali This is a Lewis who told the press he would re-match Vitali many times. At any rate we are not going agree. Yeah he lost because he retied BUT was well ahead on the cards with a document and painful injury. You can at least admit that. Evader Holyfield who is about as tough as they come quit in his corner before his fight was halted to a no contest due to a clash of heads v Sherman at the it final conclusion.

With your inflexibility on the issue a, you come off with the issue as a hater. But you are A-okay with me.

My only problem with this post is blame being put on King for no ratch being made. If that were true how did we get the first Byrd-Wlad fight?

[JAB5239]

- - And of all our posters that I befriended there NOI Dan the Boof, I don't remember U from squat.

- - Been 'splained to U too much leaded water noggin that he fell under the SA boycott, hence boxing only part time. He has the best scalp of his era and lost back to back against the second best scalp of that era to Vit in a top shelf slugfest.

But U never say what grade U was in then and how many times U parents cut U internet.

Lmao....like you remembering me means anything. Scott knew me well, as do Joseph and Houdini. Funny all remember you as a crap poster Mcditto. You can't remember if you drank gin or scotch yesterday you old dirty drunk.

[QueensburyRules]

Lmao....like you remembering me means anything. Scott knew me well, as do Joseph and Houdini. Funny all remember you as a crap poster Mcditto. You can't remember if you drank gin or scotch yesterday you old dirty drunk.

- - I've brought up Scott posts in tribute to his contributions to boxing on this forum, followed be utter silence at your end, perhaps remembering all the times he made you look like a 6 yr old just been whipped by his daddy.

[Dr. Z]

My only problem with this post is blame being put on King for no ratch being made. If that were true how did we get the first Byrd-Wlad fight?

But King was controlling the utterly forgetful matches between Bryd, Gotola, Ruiz, Oquendo, and Holyfield for the heavyweight belt that was won and lost between them. He would not invite a fighter he did not sign to take away his belt! Either way Don King was the winner. This when he still had contenders of course. Byrd fought them all for the years 2002, 2003 , and 2004. When the dance ended, and his contract with Byrd was over, Klitschko's promoter offer Byrd a big sum to match his belt vs Wlad Klitschko and that was that. By that time Vital had gone the WBC route wan won his world title belt. So his bother got the chance to win a belt. If you think about it, that is why Vitali who active in until Dec 2004 then retired to focus for a few years on real politics was never given a contract offer to fight Chris Byrd.

Just because you or I want so and so to fight does not mean it will happen. The politics of the time and Don King clearly prevented this match.

[JAB5239]

But King was controlling the utterly forgetful matches between Bryd, Gotola, Ruiz, Oquendo, and Holyfield for the heavyweight belt that was won and lost between them. He would not invite a fighter he did not sign to take away his belt! Either way Don King was the winner. This when he still had contenders of course. Byrd fought them all for the years 2002, 2003 , and 2004. When the dance ended, and his contract with Byrd was over, Klitschko's promoter offer Byrd a big sum to match his belt vs Wlad Klitschko and that was that. By that time Vital had gone the WBC route wan won his world title belt. So his bother got the chance to win a belt. If you think about it, that is why Vitali who active in until Dec 2004 then retired to focus for a few years on real politics was never given a contract offer to fight Chris Byrd.

Just because you or I want so and so to fight does not mean it will happen. The politics of the time and Don King clearly prevented this match.

I'm talking about the first time Byrd fought Wlad. He had just beaten Vits, and Vitaly fought a monster after Byrd and his brother. Chris was still with King. So how did the throw all that money to fight Wlad but not for Vits to get the title he lost quitting?

[Dr. Z]

I'm talking about the first time Byrd fought Wlad. He had just beaten Vits, and Vitaly fought a monster after Byrd and his brother. Chris was still with King. So how did the throw all that money to fight Wlad but not for Vits to get the title he lost quitting?

Easy, because Vitali had the WBC belt at the time when Wlad had none. King was busy fighting his guys vs each other. Their promoter offered Byrd a record pay day to re-match for him to fight Wlad who at the time did not have a world title belt! Got it now?

The first fight that Vital lost, he was recovering form an injury so Byrd fought Wlad instead. Vitail can't rematch a guy right after he lost while hurt, and no offer was out there for him to fights Byrd who was busy fighting all Don Kings men. So there their re-match never happened.

The Kiltshko's divided and conquered the division fully cleaning out and the era. There wasn't a man fought who beat just one aside for Lewis who clearly did not take THE WBC ordered re-match. Who did they miss? Tyson? He was set to fight Vitali but was beaten by Danny Williams. The two took pictures in the Ukraine as promotions for their fight which didn't happen! I think Vitali KO's him faster than Lewis did.

[JAB5239]

Easy, because Vitali had the WBC belt at the time when Wlad had none. King was busy fighting his guys vs each other. Their promoter offered Byrd a record pay day to re-match for him to fight Wlad who at the time did not have a world title belt! Got it now?

The first fight that Vital lost, he was recovering form an injury so Byrd fought Wlad instead. Vitail can't rematch a guy right after he lost while hurt, and no offer was out there for him to fights Byrd who was busy fighting all Don Kings men. So there their re-match never happened.

The Kiltshko's divided and conquered the division fully cleaning out and the era. There wasn't a man fought who beat just one aside for Lewis who clearly did not take THE WBC ordered re-match. Who did they miss? Tyson? He was set to fight Vitali but was beaten by Danny Williams. The two took pictures in the Ukraine as promotions for their fight which didn't happen! I think Vitali KO's him faster than Lewis did.

Vitaly fought Hoffman a month after Byrd fought Wlad. You're telling he couldn't have waited another month and made that rematch happen if he wanted to? Sorry, I'm not buying that my friend.

[JAB5239]

The Kiltshko's divided and conquered the division fully cleaning out and the era. There wasn't a man fought who beat just one aside for Lewis who clearly did not take THE WBC ordered re-match. Who did they miss? Tyson? He was set to fight Vitali but was beaten by Danny Williams. The two took pictures in the Ukraine as promotions for their fight which didn't happen! I think Vitali KO's him faster than Lewis did.

There is no divide and conquer in boxing. You either fight the best or you don't. Wlad consistently fought the best available fighters. Vits did not.

Tyson was a shell of the fighter he use to be in 2004, and Danny Williams was never a serious contender. What what that fight really have done for Vitaly except put a "name" on his resume?