Comments Thread For: Angel Garcia Believes Spence Made a Mistake By Moving Forward With Crawford Fight

[BoxOfficer]

Hindsight is 20/20.

Before the fight, almost everyone thought it was a 50/50 fight. Some excuse makers had the accident excuse handy only in case of a loss, in their usual manner. We have seen it all before, especially here on BoxingScene. No surprises at all.

Similarly, before AJ fought Wallin, many gave Wallin a chance and some had accused AJ of avoiding Wallin when he fought Hellinuis as late replacement instead of Wallin. Fast-forward later, AJ demolishes Wallin, then the Swede becomes a 'bum" overnight.

Likewise, no one gave Parker a chance against Wilder except a very few, despite the fact Wilder was fighting outside of the PBC for perhaps the first time in a long while. Parker makes easy work of him, and suddenly, Wilder is shot and a lot has been taken out of him from the Fury fights as though he only had suffered a prior bad loss in the HW division, as though Parker himself hadn't been involved in a drenching defeat to Joyce not long ago or hadn't suffered two KDs against Whyte in the past.

Boxing has the cruelest fans. They don't give credit when due and mostly speak from both ends of the mouth. If you're reading this, then you too have seen this fact all too well.

[Oregonian]

It's not about Porter, try thinking critically - all of them at PBC were essentially playing round robin and basically never fighting outside of their promotional outfit.

And certainly not in any kind of fight anyone would deem competitive and when Spence did he lost.

The only guy he fought who was outside of PBC which was "competitive" was Brook but that has some caveats to it.

At that point he'd had his face broken by GGG and had to move down two divisions to do fight Spence, not only that the IBF at the time had the 10 pound rehydration clause...

Truthfully it's just about Spence not being as good as people thought he was or should I say hyped him up to be as _Rexy_ said.

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How are you knocking on everything Spence has done? Spence was not a big name AND traveled to the UK to face Brook. Brook had a belt, that’s all that mattered. Winning a belt gives boxers leverage to negotiate better as well as name recognition.

Which argument do you think weighs heavier between the rehydration argument in Spence beating Brook or Bud beating a way past his prime Brook?

The same can be said about the Porter that Bud beat. Porter was coming off a total war with Spence.

I am not hyping Spence up. I picked Bud to knock him out but I am not doing dismissive of his accomplishments. Fair is fair

[Jack_sh*t]

Crawford is a generational talent. The way he figures opponents out and goes to work is exceptional. ES, good as he was, was never going to beat him. I’ll be surprised if Bud doesn’t retire undefeated. That’s all.

[Boro]

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How are you knocking on everything Spence has done? Spence was not a big name AND traveled to the UK to face Brook. Brook had a belt, that’s all that mattered. Winning a belt gives boxers leverage to negotiate better as well as name recognition.

Which argument do you think weighs heavier between the rehydration argument in Spence beating Brook or Bud beating a way past his prime Brook?

The same can be said about the Porter that Bud beat. Porter was coming off a total war with Spence.

I am not hyping Spence up. I picked Bud to knock him out but I am not doing dismissive of his accomplishments. Fair is fair

It's not just the IBFs rehydration clause it's moving down two divisions on top of that.

And like I said the one actually decent 47 at PBC he avoided like the plague for years...

And I don't rate any of Buds welter run either so... but unlike Spence, Bud wanted all the smoke therein lies the big difference.

P.S. I can't be a hypocrite and do what A LOT of people do on here and rate the exact same wins for one guy and not another.

Or claim spence isn't as good of a talent as people make him out to be and then in the same breathe claim he's a stand out win for Bud.

[hhh1200]

The mouth runner made sure he didn't put Danny in the ring with Crawford. We haven't forgot.

[archiemoore1]

Read my posts b4 their fight. I outlined why Spence was going to get hurt in that fight. Basically Crawford is too educated in the ring for Spence. His skills are subtle, whereas Spence is all kill kill kill. It was finesse vs. brute force. That worked for Spence against everyone else, but against Bud it was his downfall. U can't march straight forward and just "go get" Bud. When you miss, he makes u pay with precision. Errol was wide open, reaching, slow, he was awful. Even if he tightens up his defense, he doesn't have the speed or reflexes necessary to mess with Bud. And his skill set is too basic for Bud. Why so few ppl saw this b4 the fight, can only be because they were under the impressiom Spence was so much more bigger powerful than Bud. But I asked b4 the fight why does anyone think Bud is going to be running from Spence? I knew he could stand right in his face and beat him up exactly the way he did

[champion4ever]

I disagree. As long as Spence was still active and not retired; He owed it to us boxing fans to provide us with the best possible fights and entertainment available.

If he was still injured then he shouldn’t been allowed inside of a boxing ring to fight in the first place. That’s what wrong DG today.

He allowed his father to destroy his self-confidence by ducking all the elite fighters of his career; For fear of him taking asswhoopings.

To this day; Danny Garcia still doesn’t believe himself. Which is why he is still fighting the 40 year old shopworn Erislandy Lara’s of the world at a catchweight instead of fighting true and contemporary 154 lbs fighters.

[hhh1200]

Every iteration of Spence was going to get beat by Crawford. It's possible if Spence had replaced Horn he could have made it a controversial fight on the cards and that is a big maybe but Crawford has been a stopping machine since he has been in 147

[TookHerToThe0]

He went beat a smaller man in England
Yes it’s an 8 hour flight , gets credit for that
Who else did he beat that he shouldn’t have
And by the way , Spence gets a lot of flak cause excuses after his loss but actually looked great against Ugas and Garcia
So there was no excuses before after Bud he’s full of them

I thought his victory over brook was a fine win. If you watched the fight, you can’t say it was a poor fight. They’re both welterweights. What you talking about smaller man? Do you even watch boxing my friend?

I agree with you about the Mikey Garcia fight, I never saw any advantage to beating him.

but to beat the top players from his era like he did, I believe shows he’s as good as people thought. I don’t understand how he wasn’t if he won every fight he’s had besides bud Crawford. Who certain people still don’t want to accept is super special.

EDIT: all fighters have reasons or excuses as to why they felt they lost. They do that so they can believe in coming back. I think you maybe need to live the boxers life for a while and you may garner some actual insight to how fighters tick.

[Liondw]

I was concerned for Spence in fight week.

Maybe I was wrong, but I thought he was slurring words, and looked off in the dressing room.

Not taking anything away from Crawford's win, just an observation.