Francis Ngannou vs Tyson Fury II - Who wins?

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Anthony Joshua's last fight was somewhat of a statistically anomaly 'I have admitted and stated this many times before. It was quite simply Anthony Joshua's worst ever professional performance, from technical perspective'.

Anthony Joshua even during his worst night ever vs Daniel Dubois, was in my opinion? On his way to turning the fight around, and systematically beating down Dubois over the distance. The statistics of the fight, show this trajectory appearing in the action. All the signs were there in that fight; in round 5 Anthony Joshua went from landing on average 40% of his punches, to over 80% of his punches during round 5. Even after being decked in round 1, the facts of that fight are? Anthony Joshua from the very moment he rose up off the canvas was slowly but surely, minute by minute fighting his way back into the fight. Before he amplified Dubois's punching power, by firstly making a technical mistake i.e. throwing an uppercut while wading forward with his guard completely down. This unforced error, amplified the power of Daniel Dubois which eventually lead to him then being knocked out'.

But apart from that? Anthony Joshua is definitively skill for skill the most fundamentally solid and technical sound Heavyweight fighter in the diversion. Joshua has proven his pure technical boxing skills at a higher level consistently throughout his career way more than Tyson Fury, Daniel Dubois, Filip Hrgovic and Joseph Parker. In fact? I have no idea why you are mentioning fighters other than Tyson Fury, who can compete with Joshua in this department. The three most proven and component boxers in the Heavyweight division are Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

We can all agree here that in regards to pure boxing skills 'Oleksandr Uysk is the ultimate Heavyweight fighter in this era. Uysk is the bench mark, therefore? When I state that Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury, and Anthony Joshua are the three most component and proven pure boxers in the division. Those statements are actually backed up with hardcore evidence, what I am saying is not just a opinion. Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have fought 24 rounds against Uysk, and the statistics of the action show that Anthony Joshua is a by far better boxer than many people want to claim'.

Note: Here are some statistics for you below, which pretty much display and prove Anthony Joshua's skill for skill boxing ability:

Workrate produced:Over the 48 rounds of action vs Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.

Anthony Joshua over his two fights with Uysk, his work rate superior to Tyson Fury's 'Joshua threw 641 punches in the first fight, and then 492 punches in the rematch. Joshua's second fight with Uysk, showed that tactically? He was attempting to manage his pace more efficiently, which he did. But Uysk in response to this threw 712 punches. Out of all 4 Heavyweight titles fights vs both Fury and Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk produced his highest work rate vs Anthony Joshua II'.

Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'I personally regard that fight, as the absolute peak version of Uysk. Uysk vs Joshua II was throwing on average 300 + more punches than he did vs Tyson Fury I & II.

Punches landed: Over the 48 rounds of action vs Tyson Fury and Anthony'.

And people need to factor this in? The highest amount of punches, Uysk landed on Anthony Joshua 'Was during their rematch. 170 Punches. The highest amount of punches Uysk landed on Tyson Fury, was 179 punches during their rematch. Oleksandr Uysk was also able to land 170 punches on Tyson Fury in their first fight. While Oleksandr Uysk was able to land a total of 148 punches on Anthony Joshua during their first fight'.

Tyson Fury during his first fight against Oleksandr Uysk landed a total of 157 punches, and during the rematch he landed 144 punches. Anthony Joshua during his first fight against Oleksandr Uysk landed a total of 123 punches, and during their rematch landed a total of 124 punches'.

To conclude: The statistics of the fight action from all four fights, showed that Oleksandr Uysk in order to beat Anthony Joshua twice back to back 'Had to produce a greater effort, than he did up against Tyson Fury in their fights. Uysk had to produce a higher work rate against Joshua, in order to land a similar amount of punches that he did on Tyson Fury'.

The only area of the 48 round of action where Tyson Fury did better than Anthony Joshua 'Was being able to land more punches. That is it. But in all other areas of boxing, Anthony Joshua actually fought a better fight twice back to back than Tyson Fury. The statistics of the fight action, show there is hardcore evidence to back up this observation and opinion of mine'.

Daniel Dubois, Joseph Parker, Filip Hrgovic 'None of those fighters are anywhere near skill for skill the level of Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua at their absolute peak or in solid form'.

Hardcore boxing fans and serious boxing analyst 'Can all agree that Oleksandr Uysk is the bench mark and litmus test. To prove a heavyweight fighters pure skill and technical boxing capacity. That is what Oleksandr Uysk represents in the Heavyweight game'.

Daniel Dubois was done by the middle rounds vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'And then he was knocked out by a single jab. Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua fought 24 competitive rounds vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II, neither fighter was knocked out'.

Filip Hrgovic, I understand that the Eastern European Countries have a great reputation and resume in the amateur ranks 'So let's all look back, and revisit what happen when Filip Hrgovic competed in the 2016 Olympics. Filip Hrgovic won an Olympic bronze medal, which is great achievement. But he was not the Olympic Champion. Anthony Joshua in comparison was the 2012 Olympic Champion'.

And then we have Joseph Parker 'I rate Parker as a fighter, and I would say? Outside of Uysk, Fury and Joshua. Joseph Parker is the most proven and component pure boxer in the Heavyweight Division. But he is not and has never been better fighter than Anthony Joshua'.

Anthony Joshua has already beaten Joseph Parker 'When he was a undefeated WBO World Heavyweight Champion, and during that fight Joshua hardly got out of 2nd gear'

The three most proven and component pure skill for skill Heavyweight fighters of his era are Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua etc.

I disagree with several of your points and it obvious from reading your post you are quite obviously a hardcore AJ fan

First of all lets have it right - AJ lost to the Cuban in the first round of the 2012 Olympics and then lost in the final to the Italian but in both cases got the decision as he was the home country fighter.

Secondly your points about the Dubois fight are that coming from a fan - it's obvious. AJ got dominated in every single round, hit the deck 4 times including a devastating knockout where a full 10 count was issued. There was absolutely nothing positive for him to take from that fight despite how you're trying to dress it up. His best work (the right hand in round 5) was immediately negated by a lack of fighting IQ when he really needed it.

The proof is in the pudding - if AJ really was the most fundamentally sound and technical boxer in the division he wouldn't have as many as 4 losses on his record. Those terms are reserved for fighters who really are/were that way inclined like Bivol, GGG, wlad Klitschko, Lomachenko, ward, Povetkin, Usyk etc.

Those statistics are also meaningless because ultimately styles makes fights and this usually determines how many shots are thrown/landed by a fighter. AJ was dominated by Usyk in the first fight; wobbled badly in round three and nearly stopped in the twelfth. Although Fury was knocked down in his first fight against Usyk he did manage to hurt Usyk twice - something AJ couldn't do regardless of how many more punches Usyk landed on Fury. It's widely acknowledged that Fury was cruising against Usyk up until round 7 where he started to slow down before getting caught.

Hrgovic is much more technically and fundamentally sound than AJ - he is good at controlling range and distance with his left jab hand, boxes in circles and can fight well off the backfoot. If you want examples of this re watch the Zhang and Dubois fights.

Dubois knows how to ride shots, has a magnificent jab, left hook and right hand and moves his head of the centre line. Hrgovic hit Dubois with about 32 right hands in the early part of their fight but Dubois was riding them and turning with them to take the maximum impact off. If that was AJ in there he probably would've got knocked out because he rarely moves his head.

This 260lbs version of Parker under Andy Lee would also starch AJ. AJ has been hurt/KO'd in multiple fights with Dillian whyte, wlad Klitscho, Povetkin, Andy Ruiz, Usyk and Dubois all getting to him. A lot of people label him chinny and I'd have to go along with that. If parker catches him on the temple or top of the head like he did Bakole - it's over! The 2018 fight between AJ and Parker was ridiculous as the referee was obviously employed to stop any inside work from occurring. Every time the fighters got close he'd immediately break it up. AJ didn't do anything significant to win either - just essentially landed a handful of jabs in the little action that did take place.

Usyk is quite obviously the best in the division and if its not already apparent, is starting to enter GOAT territory but AJ, if we're being honest never has been. His story is clever marketing, promotion, matchmaking and opportunism. when he really had to prove his metal as a fighter he failed every time barring his acid test against an old wlad Klitschko.

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At this point it feels like there is as much chance of Ngannou actually coming back to the UFC and fighting Aspinall as there is of Jones/Aspinall happening.

For sure. Complain about boxing's heavyweight division all you like; but being an MMA fan and looking at the activity level and shallow depth among the big boys there is purgatory!

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It's widely acknowledged that Fury was cruising against Usyk up until round 7 where he started to slow down before getting caught.

Not sure thats true. Sounds like some sort of pro fury narrative to excuse furys performance and loss. Usyk clearly won the first 3 rounds in that fight. Don't see how fury can be cruising if it's an even fight? Yes fury won the next 3 but how and why?

Usyk was soundly outboxing Fury through 3, Fury adjusted and blew his load trying to get usyk out of there which didn't work because usyk is too good and experienced, and usyk dominated the rest of the fight starting in the 7th.

this wasn't a bad strategy by Fury at all. Probably his best chance since we saw what happened in the second fight where Fury didn't really go for it and lost 8-4 9-3 in a tactical affair. He definitely was never cruising though because the only time he had a good run was when he essentially went for broke as a last resort. This threw usyk off temporarily but when things resorted to the norm usyk was in full control

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For sure. Complain about boxing's heavyweight division all you like; but being an MMA fan and looking at the activity level and shallow depth among the big boys there is purgatory!

Yeah HW boxing has been significantly better than HW MMA for the best part of a decade now in just about every respect. There was a time in the late 00s/early 10s where, in America at least, HW MMA felt as though it had actually taken the lead in terms of interest - Brock vs guys like Carwin, Reem and Mir, the Cain/JDS trilogy, the Strikeforce HW GP etc all while Wlad was fighting guys like Chagaev in Germany. Its a shame how hard it fell off.

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Not sure thats true. Sounds like some sort of pro fury narrative to excuse furys performance and loss. Usyk clearly won the first 3 rounds in that fight. Don't see how fury can be cruising if it's an even fight? Yes fury won the next 3 but how and why?

Usyk was soundly outboxing Fury through 3, Fury adjusted and blew his load trying to get usyk out of there which didn't work because usyk is too good and experienced, and usyk dominated the rest of the fight starting in the 7th.

this wasn't a bad strategy by Fury at all. Probably his best chance since we saw what happened in the second fight where Fury didn't really go for it and lost 8-4 9-3 in a tactical affair. He definitely was never cruising though because the only time he had a good run was when he essentially went for broke as a last resort. This threw usyk off temporarily but when things resorted to the norm usyk was in full control

Cruising was probably the wrong choice of word to use but I would say he was probably 2 rounds in front going into the 8th round - after that it all went left.