Light-thinking fans who disrespect the IBHOF should find another sport!

[Willow The Wisp]

I hear people here whining about Vinny Paz and Michael Nunn being elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame this year. I even notice fans, who appear to be unprepared to form a valuable opinion, post wild, insulting and absurd things like: "Not sure why anyone cares about this self-aggrandising US institution which hands out awards based on subjective opinion. Fundamentally no different to the sanctioning bodies and even less relevant".


To those who know the sport and understand it's historical importance as the toughest, oldest and most internationally followed sport that has existed in both ancient and modern times; the IBHOF is unquestionably the headquarters of the sport; where it's greatest fighters, writers, media personalities and memorabilia vendors have congreated annually since it's opening in 1990, for the express purpose of honoring the fighters who have made this sport the ultimate athletic endeavor that has produced many of the most famous entertainment celebrities in history.

The Hall of fame is singular in this function, with no other center to celebrate the sport anywhere else in the world.

But still, we see a number of light-knowledge fans placing their thoughts ahead of honoring the fighters.

And yet, it may just be, that Vinny Paz and Michael Nunn are unworthy inductees.
And so, let's see what's behind the thought, or whether ANYTHING is backing up the thought.

Give me 5 eligible* moderns who are more worthy to get in.

(*Retired, and last fight no earlier than 1989 and prior to 2022)

Let's have it, and we'll separate the men from the boys.

[Coverdale]

The quote is mine and I stand on it. You have to understand I am a snobby Brit who views most Americans as uncultured.

I wasn't aware the IBHOF was only established in 1990, that makes it even less relevant. Although I can understand why citizens of a country just over 200 years old would view an institution not even as old as the Stone Roses' first album as having massive relevance.

[drablj]

we already watch other sports of course. barely anything happens in pro boxing. it would be very boring to only follow that one sport.
chris eubank, nigel benn, marlon sterling, mikey, pacman. 5 names better than paz. i am ok with nunn. pioneer + old timer + modern every year is too much in my opinion.

one other thing. i am pretty sure that zero voters watched all of the fights of everybody on the ballot. that makes them (and probably everybody in the world) incompetent to determine who is better. it's not that they are bad people or s t u p i d. they lack the material. it's already hard when you have seen fights but you don't have clear criteria set in stone to numerically weigh boxer's quality. then it probably gets to who they watched and liked more since almost all of them are nothing special. special ones are obviously already in or get in immediately.

[TheProudLunatic]

Every HOF has those who are undeserving
Boxing's HOF is no different

[The D3vil]

Michael Nunn belongs in the HOF, he was almost the P4P king at one point,

Vinny Paz, you can make an argument for, in the sense that it is called the "hall of fame", & he is one of the most famous fighters of the past 40 years, including having a major motion picture made about his life & also being a commentator & personality in the sport of boxing.

It's not called the "hall of great".

5 people I'd like to see go in are Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank Sr., Shawn Porter, Marlon Starling, & Meldrick Taylor.

I'd like to see boxing do a mea culpa & put Jimmy Young in the HOF because the sport literally stole a HOF career from him.

[HandsofIron]

To be fair, the IBHOF kinda lost it's meaning and relevancy when it inducted a fictional, sports movie character.

[Coverdale]

To be fair, the IBHOF kinda lost it's meaning and relevancy when it inducted a fictional, sports movie character.

If they had any integrity they would skip years where there are no outstanding new candidates. Instead, like any decent US commercial enterprise, they invent candidates to keep the annual gravy train rolling.

[Dr Z]

I hear people here whining about Vinny Paz and Michael Nunn being elected to the International Boxing Hall of Fame this year. I even notice fans, who appear to be unprepared to form a valuable opinion, post wild, insulting and absurd things like: "Not sure why anyone cares about this self-aggrandising US institution which hands out awards based on subjective opinion. Fundamentally no different to the sanctioning bodies and even less relevant".


To those who know the sport and understand it's historical importance as the toughest, oldest and most internationally followed sport that has existed in both ancient and modern times; the IBHOF is unquestionably the headquarters of the sport; where it's greatest fighters, writers, media personalities and memorabilia vendors have congreated annually since it's opening in 1990, for the express purpose of honoring the fighters who have made this sport the ultimate athletic endeavor that has produced many of the most famous entertainment celebrities in history.

The Hall of fame is singular in this function, with no other center to celebrate the sport anywhere else in the world.

But still, we see a number of light-knowledge fans placing their thoughts ahead of honoring the fighters.

And yet, it may just be, that Vinny Paz and Michael Nunn are unworthy inductees.
And so, let's see what's behind the thought, or whether ANYTHING is backing up the thought.

Give me 5 eligible* moderns who are more worthy to get in.

(*Retired, and last fight no earlier than 1989 and prior to 2022)

Let's have it, and we'll separate the men from the boys.

The hall of fame is for the fans, and the IBHOF is very *******. Perhaps the most ******* in all of sports. The selection comitre needs better standards and a higher vote count to get in.

I get that it is for the fans and being famous to the casual boxing fans can mean something. But at the rate we are going Jake Paul might get in one day.

As a distinction the top vote receiver for his class in the given year deserves a special honor for the IBHOF. Perhaps a statue?

In a perfect world the IBHOF needs a facelift. A new building with a private theater where people are checked for devices like the Israeli air port.

The collectors can show the fans rare fights. That and a better standard for the fighters to get in is a need. And pretty please move to a major fight city, like New York.

- Dr Z

[Dr Z]

The quote is mine and I stand on it. You have to understand I am a snobby Brit who views most Americans as uncultured.

I wasn't aware the IBHOF was only established in 1990, that makes it even less relevant. Although I can understand why citizens of a country just over 200 years old would view an institution not even as old as the Stone Roses' first album as having massive relevance.

The USA is 250 years old ( Hey, do not sell us short ) and #1 in the world in many important categories . Boxing is way down that list. PS: Thank you England for the lovely holiday in the summer.

Signed an " ugly American" who is uncultured.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I think the boxing hall of fame, is the most creditable in all of sports 'Next to that? Maybe I would imagine the NBA and NFL Hall of fame comes after boxing. Because those are the only real hall of fame's which? I think make an impact, and carry a great deal of prestige'.

The issue which I think people have with these sorts of awards 'Is that there seems to be no clear criteria in order to gain recognition from the boxing hall of fame. This could be a positive or negative, because? Great fighters and Champions are not all defined by the same standards, throughout history fighters all have varying strengths and feats of achievement. So from my understanding, this is potentially why there is no mandated specific criteria for a fighter to enter the boxing hall of fame'.

I do know that a boxer needs to be retired for 3 years, before being considered a serious candidate for the boxing hall of fame 'So for me personally, I am fully expecting a British fighter called David Haye to soon be inducted into the boxing hall of fame i.e. I see that the time frame, that fighters needed to be retired for has been altered? It was originally 5 years, but was recently altered to 3 years'.

For the most part I don't pay much attention to the boxing hall of fame 'I only have a increased interest when fighters, who I think should be inducted are being considered. The last time I really enjoyed the boxing hall of fame week 'Was when Rocky Balboa, and Mike Tyson were being inducted'.

I have recently seen Ricky Hatton and Carl Froch being inducted into the hall of fame, now? I honestly believe David Haye should be inducted.

Note: David Haye's feats achieved inside the boxing ring, are not conventional or normal feats even for most top level fighters. David Haye was the Unified and Lineal Ring Magazine Cruiserweight World Champion, and unlike Oleksandr Uysk? Haye blasted out all of the major Champions at Cruiserweight, Haye was really the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion. The only reason why he was not awarded the IBF World title, was through a technicality. Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten the IBF World Champion O'Neill Bell in a rematch, in his fight prior to competing against David Haye'.

After conquering the Cruiserweight Divisions, David Haye then invaded the Heavyweight Divisions. On the 7th November 2009 'David Haye fought Nikola Valuev, in a fight where he was being outweighed by 7 stone. Haye weighed in at 218 pounds, vs Valuev 315 pounds. The total the weight differential in pounds between the two fighters was 98 pounds. The fight was billed as David vs Goliath. David Haye beat Nikola Valuev, and became only the second sentient being in the history of mankind to move up from the Cruiserweight Division to win a World Heavyweight title.

To conclude: So overall I think many people do respect the boxing hall of fame 'It is just that there are large sections of society, that think events from 5 to 10 years ago are ancient times. Not many people value history, and live in the moment. You can see this kind of culture in many sports, forms of entertainment and art. There are certain folk who genuinely believe that everything which is new, is better. And the past is obsolete, but in my opinion that is definitively not wise or the truth' etc.