Crawford resume is elite and underrated, Canelo is underestimating Crawford

[famicommander]

So you didn't say that Daniel Dubois is not a legitimate world champion? Quite sure you did.

And if so, are you going to retract that statement now?

It's neither here nor there. You've said Perez was 28-0 like that matters. What relevance does that have? How many of those 28 fighters were ranked in the Top 10? Zero. Thus not a legitimate Lightweight.

Gamboa "taking his 0" doesn't magically make him a legitimate Lightweight. Like I just just said, you generally tend to have to actually beat ranked fighters at a weight class before you are considered legitimate at the weight class which Gamboa hadn't done.

Can you read?

The post you just quoted confirms that Daniel Dubois is not a real world champion. He is the IBF world titlist, and good for him, but there is only one champion in any division and Usyk is the heavyweight champion. And that's because he has the TBRB world championship, which is the closest thing we have to an official version of the lineal title.

The belts are world titles, and world titles are generally hard to win and should be respected. But winning one doesn't make you a world champion. There can only ever be one world champion in any weight class. Period.

By "legitimate lightweight" I meant that he went to the division and beat a guy that had spent his entire career at the weight. As opposed to, say, Ryan Garcia and Rolly Romero fighting one another in their mutual debuts at the weight. If I had meant ranked I would have said that.

But that's neither here nor there. You avoided my point:
If Darleys Perez was never the WBA world titlist, how did Anthony Crolla become WBA world titlist? Or do you dispute his status too?

Was Dmitry Bivol not the WBA world titlist at 175? Because he won a vacant interim strap while there was already a Super and Regular titlist. Then the Super titlist retired and the Regular titlist became just the WBA world titlist. Then the WBA world titlist vacated, so in the span of 3 days Bivol went from the tertiary to the secondary to the full WBA world titlist. All via email, without winning another fight.

So does Bivol's title reign not count, or do you just want to admit that the alphabet soups are solely in charge of their own titles?

This is why we have to differentiate between a world title and a world championship in the first place.

Gamboa was the TBRB #7 ranked fighter in the division and he had the WBA interim lightweight world title when Crawford beat him. Those are undisputed facts. Pretending like Gamboa was still a featherweight when he hadn't made 126 in 39 months is ludicrous.

[IronDanHamza]

Can you read?

Shut the fuck up you daft cunt.

I read what you said. You move goalposts more time than you change your mind on if you're a homosexual or not. So getting to the bottom of that is never ending.

Perez = Legit
Dubois = Not legit

Is what it looks like, depending on the argument.

Why even mention Perez's upgraded title in the first place? It doesn't mean anything in regards to where his standing was at LW when he fought Gamboa.

The post you just quoted confirms that Daniel Dubois is not a real world champion. He is the IBF world titlist, and good for him, but there is only one champion in any division and Usyk is the heavyweight champion. And that's because he has the TBRB world championship, which is the closest thing we have to an official version of the lineal title.

The belts are world titles, and world titles are generally hard to win and should be respected. But winning one doesn't make you a world champion. There can only ever be one world champion in any weight class. Period.

So you didn't say he's not the legitimate IBF Champion?

By "legitimate lightweight" I meant that he went to the division and beat a guy that had spent his entire career at the weight. As opposed to, say, Ryan Garcia and Rolly Romero fighting one another in their mutual debuts at the weight. If I had meant ranked I would have said that.

Ok. So that means what? Gamboa beat a career Lightweight. Ok, nice one. Still doesn't make Crawford's win a good one.

But that's neither here nor there. You avoided my point:
If Darleys Perez was never the WBA world titlist, how did Anthony Crolla become WBA world titlist? Or do you dispute his status too?

Was Dmitry Bivol not the WBA world titlist at 175? Because he won a vacant interim strap while there was already a Super and Regular titlist. Then the Super titlist retired and the Regular titlist became just the WBA world titlist. Then the WBA world titlist vacated, so in the span of 3 days Bivol went from the tertiary to the secondary to the full WBA world titlist. All via email, without winning another fight.

So does Bivol's title reign not count, or do you just want to admit that the alphabet soups are solely in charge of their own titles?

This is why we have to differentiate between a world title and a world championship in the first place.

Not interested in any of that.

I responded to your point that Perez went on to WBA Champion when he was email champion. He didn't legitimize that at any point at a later date because he never beat a ranked fighter ever.

Gamboa was the TBRB #7 ranked fighter in the division and he had the WBA interim lightweight world title when Crawford beat him. Those are undisputed facts. Pretending like Gamboa was still a featherweight when he hadn't made 126 in 39 months is ludicrous.

No, what's ludicrous is pretending that beating Perez at LW makes you a legit LW. It doesn't and didn't.

He was unranked at LW as far as I'm concerned and even if he was ranked elsewhere he still wasn't a legitimate LW as he'd beat no ranked fighters there.

[famicommander]

Shut the fuck up you daft cunt.

I read what you said. You move goalposts more time than you change your mind on if you're a homosexual or not. So getting to the bottom of that is never ending.

Perez = Legit
Dubois = Not legit

Is what it looks like, depending on the argument.

Why even mention Perez's upgraded title in the first place? It doesn't mean anything in regards to where his standing was at LW when he fought Gamboa.



So you didn't say he's not the legitimate IBF Champion?




Ok. So that means what? Gamboa beat a career Lightweight. Ok, nice one. Still doesn't make Crawford's win a good one.



Not interested in any of that.

I responded to your point that Perez went on to WBA Champion when he was email champion. He didn't legitimize that at any point at a later date because he never beat a ranked fighter ever.




No, what's ludicrous is pretending that beating Perez at LW makes you a legit LW. It doesn't and didn't.

He was unranked at LW as far as I'm concerned and even if he was ranked elsewhere he still wasn't a legitimate LW as he'd beat no ranked fighters there.

You really can't read.

TBRB champion = world champion.
WBA, IBF, WBO, WBC top recognized belt holder = world titlist

Dubois is the legitimate IBF title holder, so he's a world titlist. I think it's a really dumb decision by the IBF and I make fun of them and Dubois for it, but it doesn't change the fact that he's the world titlist.

But a world titlist is not a world champion.

Usyk is the one and only champion at heavyweight and would still be that even if he threw all of his belts away tomorrow, as long as he continued to fight.

The TBRB champion is the world champion. The top belt holders of the alphabet soups are the world titlists. I often disagree with them and make fun of their decisions but I don't deny reality. The WBA world titlist is whomever the WBA says it is, for whatever asinine reason they want. But the TBRB champ is the champ.

End of.

[IronDanHamza]

You really can't read.

TBRB champion = world champion.
WBA, IBF, WBO, WBC top recognized belt holder = world titlist

End of.

I just explained to you how I read what you said and responded to it, you clown.

Keep moving the goalposts when it suits you. You're beginning to make a habit of it.

[famicommander]

I just explained to you how I read what you said and responded to it, you clown.

Keep moving the goalposts when it suits you. You're beginning to make a habit of it.

You didn't respond to it at all, you repeatedly missed the point and doubled down on it.

I have never, at any point, considered anyone a legitimate champion just because they had a belt. But I accept the basic reality that the WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO are the ones who decide who holds their world titles, which are not the same thing as a world championship.

If you hold the top belt from one of the alphabet soups, you're a world titlist. I don't always agree, I don't always like it, but that's the way it is.

If you win the TBRB championship, you are the world champion. I don't always agree with them either, but I accept their judgement and consider it a much higher accomplishment.

You can't say Perez doesn't count because he was he was an email titlist and then still pretend Crolla is a world titlist. Same with Bivol. Bivol and Perez got their belts via email, Crolla got his belt by beating Perez. Either all three of them were WBA world titlist or none of them ever were, you can't have it both ways.

Dubois is no different from Perez. They are both world titlists. Neither of them are world champions because they are different accomplishments. There is absolutely no contradiction in my stance. Perez held the top WBA title, Dubois held the top IBF title. Both are world titlists. Neither held the TBRB title, neither are world champions. This isn't complicated.

"as far as you're concerned he was unranked"

Well, too bad. The TBRB says he was #7 and they're the exact same people who used to run The Ring, which is the basis for your original claim of him being unranked. I'll take a panel of paid, independent boxing journalists over a guy who is oddly obsessed with the sexuality of others on the internet and can't actually read any day.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Terrence Crawford is not the best fighter, that Canelo Alvarez has fought skill for skill 'Alvarez arguable has fought multiple fighters, skill for skill who were better than Crawford. Floyd Mayweather Junior. And even the version of Shane Mosley may have been better than Crawford at any stage of his career. And then you have fighters like Gennady Golovkin and Dmitry Bivol, who overall skill for skill may not be better fighters than Crawford but? There are aspects of their game that are superior to Terrence Crawford's game i.e. Gennady Golovkin has a better offense, and is most likely many times more durable than Crawford. Also fighters like Erislandy Lara and Miguel Cotto are fighters, who in solid form or at his absolute peak? There are many people who would back them to beat Terrence Crawford'.

Note: So as you can see. Win or lose Canelo Alvarez has a vast amount of experience competing against better fighters than Terrene Crawford or at the very least 'Fighters already with comparable levels of game. And Alvarez has beaten a considerable amount of those fighters, or he has always been competitive even during a lost'.

To conclude: Terrence Crawford's resume is solid 'He has clearly been beating world level fighters. But the issue is? Crawford has been an elite level fighter and Champion throughout his career, that has not competed against other elite level fighters. The only elite level fighter he has fought is Errol Spence Junior, who? At that stage of his career, he was still a World level fighter. But the biggest challenge Spence Junior overcome, was returning from his brutal accident. Errol Spence Junior was most likely suffering from chronic damage below the surface in the latter part of his career. Damage that was only going to show up in a fight against a super elite fighter like Terrence Crawford'.

The best fighters Terrence Crawford has fought 'Have all been miles outside of their peak. Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Errol Spence Junior, and Shawn Porter. They were all still very strong fighters, but? They were there for the taking against a fighter at the level of Terrence Crawford at the absolute peak of his game'.

When Terrence Crawford competes against Canelo Alvarez 'Once again, he is competing against a fighter outside of his peak for sure. But even this version of Alvarez is most likely in the top 2 fighters Crawford has ever fought'.

But that is precisely why Terrene Crawford has taken this fight 'Greatest needs to encounter resistance, in order to prove how great it is. On September 12th 2025, this is that moment for Terrence Crawford when he challenges Canelo Alvarez for the Undisputed Super Middle Weight titles' etc.

[IceTrayDaGang]

weakazz resume!! gamboa is best win.

[QueensburyRules]

Gamboa, Postol, Mean Machine, Spence, etc were all undefeated and highly rated when Crawford destroyed them. They weren’t the same after Crawford and other fighters just followed the blueprint.

Many years later Tank took 12 rounds to stop a completely shot Gamboa.

Crawford destroys more undefeated fighters than almost any other champion I’ve seen. People who know boxing know that’s impressive.

Canelo being disingenuous.

- - What grade they kick U out this year?

[hugh grant]

Buds best noone great. But doesn't mean he cant. It's just that the more greats you fight the greater you become as you know you need to learn more. So Nel o could be further evolved

[IronDanHamza]

You didn't respond to it at all, you repeatedly missed the point and doubled down on it.

I directly responded to it you stupid cunt. If you can't comprehend it then that's a you problem.

I have never, at any point, considered anyone a legitimate champion just because they had a belt. But I accept the basic reality that the WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO are the ones who decide who holds their world titles, which are not the same thing as a world championship.

If you hold the top belt from one of the alphabet soups, you're a world titlist. I don't always agree, I don't always like it, but that's the way it is.

If you win the TBRB championship, you are the world champion. I don't always agree with them either, but I accept their judgement and consider it a much higher accomplishment.

You can't say Perez doesn't count because he was he was an email titlist and then still pretend Crolla is a world titlist. Same with Bivol. Bivol and Perez got their belts via email, Crolla got his belt by beating Perez. Either all three of them were WBA world titlist or none of them ever were, you can't have it both ways.

Dubois is no different from Perez. They are both world titlists. Neither of them are world champions because they are different accomplishments. There is absolutely no contradiction in my stance. Perez held the top WBA title, Dubois held the top IBF title. Both are world titlists. Neither held the TBRB title, neither are world champions. This isn't complicated.

I don't give a shit mate.

You implied Gamboa was legitimate at LW for a win over Perez and constantly shut down Dubois' leigitmacy. It's very transparent, I don't know if you're aware. It's not even thinly veiled.

You make a habit of picking and choosing when these kind of things matter. And you're doing exactly that now.

"as far as you're concerned he was unranked"

Well, too bad. The TBRB says he was #7 and they're the exact same people who used to run The Ring, which is the basis for your original claim of him being unranked. I'll take a panel of paid, independent boxing journalists over a guy who is oddly obsessed with the sexuality of others on the internet and can't actually read any day.

"Well too bad" You're not the authority on boxing rankings, you daft clown. People like me who have used The Ring's rankings for decades, before your inbred sibling parents even considered conceiving you are going to continue to do so.

Just because you found out what boxing was yesterday and have this weird obsession with boxrec and rankings doesn't mean anything, again something I don't know if you're aware of.