Comments Thread For: CompuBox Pound For Pound Ratings - February 2016 Edition

[wlliam]

This table is a perfect example of why quality of opposition has to be factored into P4P lists in some way.

It's easy to rack up impressive statistics if you are fighting nothing but pushovers.

Opposition has to absolutely be considered!! Ive been preaching this actually. Style and form cant be the only criteria for p4p..it makes no sense when fighters are rated above other fighters who compete against better fighters, thats simply my argument. P4p- style, form AND OPPOSITION LEVEL

Also id like to see these stats applied to more competitors instead of a select group.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

That's the 1st thing I noticed. GGG good but he's ONLY fought and destroyed Wal-Mart Employees!!! Or Ex-Tomato Cans.

Complete crap. GGG has beaten 7 top ten fighters in three years.

This table is a perfect example of why quality of opposition has to be factored into P4P lists in some way.

It's easy to rack up impressive statistics if you are fighting nothing but pushovers.

Haters!

Opposition has to absolutely be considered!! Ive been preaching this actually. Style and form cant be the only criteria for p4p..it makes no sense when fighters are rated above other fighters who compete against better fighters, thats simply my argument. P4p- style, form AND OPPOSITION LEVEL

Also id like to see these stats applied to more competitors instead of a select group.

Opposition is considered in p4p lists, in fact both Ring and ESPN have publicly said that is the only reason GGG hasn't hit #1.

However, GGG has beat some really good fighters, which is something those who make the lists know.

Additionally, level of opposition cannot be weighted too much because in this day and age no one is willing to fight each other.

Even worse, fighters often use lack of elite fights as a reason not to fight.

So all elite fighters say they won't face another fighter because they have no elite wins, but then it becomes a catch 22.

Those who make the list take into account how other fighters swerve around you. When you've been ducked by Sergio, Cotto, Canelo, Sturm, Quillin, Jacobs, and every other top MW, it's kinda hard not to take notice.

[aboutfkntime]

As you know, CompuBox provides statistics, we don't make the fights. We're working on a rating system to grade quality of opposition which be added to the table.

All you need to do, is stop calling it a P4P list.

That list was obviously not formed using genuine P4P criteria.

It is using hit/miss percentages only, which is not P4P criteria..... and it completely overlooks the human factor, ceteris paribus/form/resume..... which are all P4P criteria.

It is nothing even close to a P4P list.

[Dr Rumack]

Lol. Two of boxing's dumbest concepts rolled into one.

[ShoulderRoll]

Haters!

I wasn't just referring to your lover Golovkin (although he is obviously one of the biggest beneficiaries of weak competition.)

Look at Leo Santa Cruz as well. Do you think he will keep up those stats once the level of his opponents increases?

And poor Manny Pacquiao isn't even in the top ten. But that's what happens when you fight someone like a Floyd Mayweather, punches landed and missed are going to be greatly affected. This ain't like fighting Adama and Ishida.

[MisanthropicNY]

Level of competition - the most important factor - is not in the equation... makes any rankings pretty meaningless...

The reason Floyd Mayweather isn't TBE is that he's only faced two opponents in their prime at their best when the fans wanted to the see the fights: Coralles and Castillo and he arguably went 2-1 in those 3 fights. Castillo and Coralles overall for their careers weren't world beaters either btw... but both were very good fighters and Castillo was very underrated...

Triple G has fought nobody of significance and clearly ducked Ward at 164 but is willing to face 51 year old B-Hop at 168... smh...

CoWard is a joke and beat Europeans past their prime without leaving his country once... hasn't fought a significant opponent in years...

There really is no number 1 lb 1 currently... but I'd look at a guy like Kova right now as a name to be mentioned as he beat B-Hop and Pascal and is being ducked by Stevenson and Ward... Chocolatito is up there although that division is one of the weakest in the game..

I'd go Kovalev as number 1 right now as he beat the best guys he could fight and is the one being ducked..Stevenson ran to Showtime and continues to duck and CoWard has given us the 3 tune up excuse even though he fights once per year...

Although Canelo is clearly afraid of Triple G..he has beaten Cotto, Lara, Trout and Kirkland, and he fought Mayweather while drained..so his level of comp is up there, but the Triple G ducking just makes me not want to put him at number 1.

[xhiddenx87]

Ohh but when FMW, Rigo and Lara were at the top of the list, there were no excuses..

Now all of sudden level of competition is lacking...

[ShoulderRoll]

Ohh but when FMW, Rigo and Lara were at the top of the list, there were no excuses..

Now all of sudden level of competition is lacking...

Are you serious? FMW and Lara were at the top AND had good quality of opposition. That's why there were no excuses needed.

Rigo at least beat a red hot, undefeated Nonito Donaire.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

I wasn't just referring to your lover Golovkin (although he is obviously one of the biggest beneficiaries of weak competition.)

Look at Leo Santa Cruz as well. Do you think he will keep up those stats once the level of his opponents increases?

And poor Manny Pacquiao isn't even in the top ten. But that's what happens when you fight someone like a Floyd Mayweather, punches landed and missed are going to be greatly affected. This ain't like fighting Adama and Ishida.

Manny fought Floyd hurt.

And manny throws a lot, which will draw his numbers down. GGG throws little, drawing his up.

GGG fought 7 top ten fighters in three years.

Are you serious? FMW and Lara were at the top AND had good quality of opposition. That's why there were no excuses needed.

Rigo at least beat a red hot, undefeated Nonito Donaire.

Who the hell is Lara's so called quality of opposition?

Angelo? The same guy who got Skunked by Kirkland, who Ishida skunked, who GGG skunked.

Lara doesn't have a lot a killer resume. He lost his one true test. Which is why Lara gets no respect on the p4p lists.

GGG aims for the guy who beat Lara. And GGG will do to Canelo what Lara couldn't. He'll out box him, and then he'll out his lights.

[ShoulderRoll]

Who the hell is Lara's so called quality of opposition?

Canelo Alvarez. Austin Trout. Paul Williams. And yes, even Alfredo Angulo who knocked out Gabe Rosado in 2 rounds....something that took GGG seven rounds to accomplish.

You really should watch more boxing outside of Golovkin fights.