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    loma is amazing no doubt....the one "but" i have

    first off..no question hes the top guy p4p....we havent seen anyhthing like him...and i applaud him for coming out of the gate going after top level comp...he didnt really have to but he chose that route

    my only "but" is that while i want to give him alot of credit for that(coming out of the gate against good comp) i dont wanna give him too much credit for it

    im more of an age guy than i am a pro fight guy...now dont get me wrong im aware of the differences...im aware of how many great amatuers or top young prospects cant find a way at the pro level...and struggle mightily

    i just hate this "fastest ever" to 3 class world titles stuff...was he younger than floyd when he did it? he chose to stay amatuer longer....and go for another medal....and thats his decision and it certainly means alot where hes from so i get it......im just not sold on giving him that distinction

    basketball is a different animal with the rule changes for early entrants being moved....but when you take a look at baseball the way it has changed...15-20 years ago if you drafted a kid out of college he might spend 2-3 years in the minors working his way through the system...a high school kid even longer....now you are seeing a faster return on investment with alot of college players being drafted in june and being called up by september...and even some of the top high school talent only spending 2-3 years in the minors (guys like correa, lindor, machado)

    i think loma is great...he is the goods..no question...im just not sold on screaming "fastest ever to 3 world titles in 3 divisions"....hes 30 years old and has tons of experience...i dont think its something that sets him apart....i may being nit picky...and i realize its a line that is used to hype and sell and im not mad at that...its just ill never really see it in my eyes
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    also props to linares...he brought it and came to fight...i thoroughly enjoyed the fight last night...entertaining

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      #3
      Well i'm a fan and it's a fair point you make.

      At the end of the day, i don't put too much stock in picking up world titles in many divisions unless it's against good opponents i.e taking a belt from Linares. The whole "fastest" thing is just a selling point.

      Ricky Burns is a 3 weight world champion, Broner a 4 weight champion. What does it really mean? the likes of Burns were picking them up in vacant fight against euro level fighters.

      Ultimately, as a top fighter, you will be judged on your wins or losses against the other top fighters.

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        #4
        I think he deserves a ton of credit because he could have easily started off fighting 3-4 times a year against cans and been 20-0 before even fighting a live body. He's a beast, you don't see fighters looking for the tough fights anymore like this guy has. Everyone wants the easiest work for the most pay.

        That said, if he continues moving up, I can't see it ending well for him. I think 135 is the max he should go and Garcia be the biggest, most talented guy that he fights. He goes to 140 and he's running into guys like Prograis and I'm not sure he can handle dudes that big and strong.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Jsmooth9876 View Post
          I think he deserves a ton of credit because he could have easily started off fighting 3-4 times a year against cans and been 20-0 before even fighting a live body. He's a beast, you don't see fighters looking for the tough fights anymore like this guy has. Everyone wants the easiest work for the most pay.

          That said, if he continues moving up, I can't see it ending well for him. I think 135 is the max he should go and Garcia be the biggest, most talented guy that he fights. He goes to 140 and he's running into guys like Prograis and I'm not sure he can handle dudes that big and strong.
          i agree on both points...i really do think its cool that hes confident and willing to have stayed away from the cans super early...and hes justified that with his displays....he not only belongs but hes the king

          i also agree that mikey is probably as far as it goes...and i do agree about prograis...that boy is tough

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            #6
            Originally posted by TheBigLug View Post
            Well i'm a fan and it's a fair point you make.

            At the end of the day, i don't put too much stock in picking up world titles in many divisions unless it's against good opponents i.e taking a belt from Linares. The whole "fastest" thing is just a selling point.

            Ricky Burns is a 3 weight world champion, Broner a 4 weight champion. What does it really mean? the likes of Burns were picking them up in vacant fight against euro level fighters.

            Ultimately, as a top fighter, you will be judged on your wins or losses against the other top fighters.
            thats true...i even said "its a selling point" and youre exactly right....i just hate the way they keep yelling it on espn and whatever....but i guess it doesnt matter...just gotta learn to drown out what i believe is just a waste of breath

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              #7
              the Ams and Pros are different though. I'm a firm believer in age over milage also. a 31 year old with 11 pro fights and a 31 year old with 40 pro fights are going to be completely different (not just in experience but also the breaking down of their body)

              Also why some guys will gradually decline, while others will look like world beaters and then with the snap of a finger they look awful

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                #8
                Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post
                the Ams and Pros are different though. I'm a firm believer in age over milage also. a 31 year old with 11 pro fights and a 31 year old with 40 pro fights are going to be completely different (not just in experience but also the breaking down of their body)

                Also why some guys will gradually decline, while others will look like world beaters and then with the snap of a finger they look awful
                solid point there too about age/milage....i believe in that too.....you have to look at the number of fights/comp/wear and tear and access that over just the number

                i do acknowledge that the pros and ams are much different...but i feel like loma could have easily turned pro at 22 and taken soft touch route for a few years(who knows maybe even 22 year old loma would have gone right at it)...i realize to him the olympics were a big deal but it might have been overkill.....i just think him coming right out the way he has he already knew he was better than anyone out here...he had the experience and seasoning...its not like he didnt spar pros before he turned one

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Curt Henning View Post
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                  i think loma is great...he is the goods..no question...im just not sold on screaming "fastest ever to 3 world titles in 3 divisions"....hes 30 years old and has tons of experience...i dont think its something that sets him apart....i may being nit picky...and i realize its a line that is used to hype and sell and im not mad at that...its just ill never really see it in my eyes
                  ... this guy turned pro when he was 25 years and 8 months old... and he only fought 11 times at the pros by now...

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                    #10
                    Lomo FAILED the first time but was given a second chance shortly thereafter. That's not greatness, that is c.ockiness coupled with boxing corruption!

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