Comments Thread For: Co-Trainer: Wilder Doesn't Get Enough Credit For Improvement, Skill Level, Ring IQ

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Jay Deas appreciates the admiration most boxing fans have for Deontay Wilder's pulverizing power. Wilder's co-trainer and co-manager just wishes they'd better appreciate what Wilder does to set up those devastating knockout shots he lands. Deas has seen considerable improvement in Wilder, development Deas believes has gone unnoticed among many boxing observers because they're preoccupied with his highlight-reel knockouts.
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[Mindgames]

Let's face it, he got outboxed badly by Fury, got outboxed and looked like he'd learned nothing at all in the rematch with an even older Ortiz until he stood right in front of him because he was knackered. Now they're trying to frame him as a master boxer who sets everything up. He's just a good puncher with reach and a good straight right. He eventually lands it, and doesn't have to fear what's coming back because he's never fought a good young puncher.

[MDPopescu]

Jay Deas appreciates the admiration most boxing fans have for Deontay Wilder's pulverizing power. ...

... "Deontay Wilder's pulverizing power" materialized exclusively vs stablemates, I remember...

[FreezeIzGawd]

Wilder is a ONE TRICK PONY.....

BUT

MY GAWD

WHAT A TRICK?!?!

I hate it when people just disregard someone’s talents. Yeah Wilder is not going to outbox and outfox you...

He is going to HIT YOU....

HARD!!!

REAL FU€K1NG HARD!!!

And until now ONLY ONE MAN has survived that PUNCH......

The only question is CAN HE GET UP A THIRD TIME?!?!

FACTS

[W1LL]

Deontay Wilder doesn't have a ring IQ, he is remedial in that sense. But he has improved a lot in recent years. He was treading water for a long time, but when he did step up and face Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury, the man had to step his game up. The Wilder of 2017 or 2018 would have been the underdog against Anthony Joshua, for example. Now only a moron would make AJ the favourite. Wilder is a wrecking machine and he has honed the aspects of his game that make him so dangerous, and they have proven effective against Elite opposition. He is proven at every level.

[markther]

Let's face it, he got outboxed badly by Fury, got outboxed and looked like he'd learned nothing at all in the rematch with an even older Ortiz until he stood right in front of him because he was knackered. Now they're trying to frame him as a master boxer who sets everything up. He's just a good puncher with reach and a good straight right. He eventually lands it, and doesn't have to fear what's coming back because he's never fought a good young puncher.

Yet the 1st fight for Wilder & Fury was scored a draw despite “badly” being out boxed. And didn’t Wilder score 2 knockdowns against Fury, a fighter that didn’t just stand in front of him to land those power shot? Even with Wilder scoring those 2 knockdowns, it means he won at least 3 other rounds on a least 1 of the judges scorecard, meaning he “outboxed,” Fury for at least 3 other rounds according to 1 judge. And 1 other judge gave Wilder more than 3 rounds because he had him winning the fight. And some boxing experts, past and current fighters, and boxing fans thought Fury won and some thought Wilder won the 1st fight. More may have thought Fury won than Wilder but enough people thought Wilder won the decision also. That is why we have a rematch today and I can’t wait for it tonight.

And if you really read this article, it seems like they work a lot on shot placement and footwork and distance to land those power shots. Wilder isn’t just throwing them randomly hoping one lands. They also seem to work on his jab because he lands it at the highest percentage of accuracy in the HW division, 30% to 25% for the division as an average. So they do work on specific things in training camp with Wilder to get those knockdowns and knockouts. So the Wilder camps aren’t focused on out boxing opponents but getting opponents out of there. That is something that works for them, no matter who the opponent is and it almost worked against Fury in the 1st fight.

The article also suggests he did improve against Ortiz despite being out boxed by him in both fights before the stoppages. In the 1st fight, Wilder won by a TKO after a barrage of shots in the 10 the round. And he was severely in trouble in that fight about to get stopped by Ortiz. But in the rematch, he knocked him out in the 7th round with a single shot. I believe with Wilder’s camp, he did exactly what they worked on and his defense was good enough to not get seriously hurt by Ortiz in the rematch as he did in the 1st fight.

[Slowhand]

Wilder´s skills still are not worth mentioning, but I admit he´s getting smarter and more patient. I thought his rematch vs Ortiz was his best performance ever, he was basically just setting up the KO for six rounds. That should be his game plan vs all other top ten HWs, no point trying to out box the better boxer.

[TMLT87]

He hasnt improved. The guy is 40+ fights in and in his mid 30s. Its just marketing. People talk about him being patient in the Ortiz rematch but ignore that the Breazele fight before that was a sloppy windmill fest. And its not like his boxing ability looked better in that Ortiz fight either, he got the KO a couple of rounds earlier but up to that he was arguably doing worse than in the first fight.

[SteveM]

Not comparing him to other fighters; I do see improvement. He is throwing straighter.

It's like a missile system with upgraded guidance system but same explosive power.

Kind of.

The effect of the punch is actually more devastating because the opponent doesn't even see it.

Wilder by 9th.

[AdonisCreed]

The only test that matters is the upcoming test against Tyson Fury today. All the questions will be answered today so what Deas has said is nice about his fighter and all but the boxing world will see exactly how much he's grown since the first fight!