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    The way wealth really works, versus how we think it does.

    Up until I was a young adult I was clueless about money. Then one day my mother in law passed and I became responsible for taking a small estate, making sure my wife's brother, who had schizophrenia was seen after, and my own family was seen after.

    I researched a lot of ideas and if anyone ever wants to look at some great information I found you can always hit me up via Private Message. I found out a lot of things and since then have distilled the information more and more down to an essence.

    Anyone who thinks Shoulder Roll exxagerates? When you start to look at the patterns in our banking system, you can really see where they are working to control money. It becomes very obvious. Here are some principles I discovered: Use em, disagree with em...But look carefully and you may be in for a shock because the proof is there. This thread will be freewheeling when we start. It might become a case of providing proof for these claims...so be it. We shall see! Here are the principles.

    1) When you buy a mortgage, the bank is compensated regardless of whether you pay the mortgage, or not. Not saying you should not pay your mortgage, but one should know why the banks claim they do not want property, yet steal houses despite the house being essentially 'salvage' if anything the property of the insurance company.



    Also, If you want to make sure the bank does not steal your house during a bad time financially? KEEP YOUR MORTGAGE BALANCE AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE! Pull as much equity as you can! Banks do not want the hassle of selling a house that will be a handfull.

    If you were a banker and you had two identical houses, one that the mortgage balance was almost paid in full, the other where the mortgage balance was hardly touched and the person owed most of the balance...which one would you grab to resell? Of course...the one that is almost paid up, the one belonging to the responsible person who paid down their mortgage...Because this house will be easier to sell at a discount and still get the bank's money back, plus s profit to boot. As a bank employee, you might even call a real estate syndicate that is made up of bank capital, to buy the house.

    2) For average people the bank finances things that have no to relatively little value. The less value the better the financing opportunities.

    First lets prove this: Take a television and trace production back through to the early days of tv, and to the 50's when televisions were well made, with tubes of glass, wood cabinetry, etc. Financing a set was done by layaway, i.e. you paid on the set until you paid enough to own it, or, if it was financed, it was done through the store, and was a big deal.

    Back in those days a television had more real value. The craftsmanship, the materials, etc were higher quality. TV's were made to last indefinitely, hence were relatively expensive. Now Televisions are not made with the same quality. they are made with cheaper materials and will last maybe five years on average. All appliances follow this trajectory: The real value based on cost to manufacture, where manufactured, materials used in manufacturing was much greater for an appliance in the 50's as compared to the present. Now a days it is pretty easy to finance a purchase for most appliances. Appliances that are more expensive, built better are harder to finance.

    The total cost of an appliance in the 50's was a greater proportion of one's income, and the materials were more valuable...Not saying that appliances have not improved, that is not the issue here, keep that in mind. It is the same with cars. Again, Its not that appliances and cars are not better today, rather it has to do with the cost associated with the product. The cost of materials, the cost to pay labor, etc.

    A bank would rather finance something that can move (a car) loses value at the drop of a hat, is made to be maintained over its life...than something that they can always find the debtor, (a house) is made to last indefinitely, and will appreciate over time eventually. Why is this? To reposses a car is harder than to reposses a house one would think yes?

    the people behind the banks know that because houses have real value, people who buy them may be able to rise up. Banks see that when immigrants come to this country, not brainwashed with the myths perpetuated by the banking industry, that these immigrants, often open a simple business helping each other with the expense, and manage to become very succesful. So Mexican immigrants get together and buy a storefront, open a basic restaurant, with no help from the bank...this restaurant does not worry about "saving money" it uses money to make the business succesful. Now this family is feeding itself, getting income from the restaurant, and soon can open another restaurant.

    If you look carefully you will notice that things of real value, like businesses, real estate, etc are not easy to finance. You can even see when we transform a vehicle, for example, into a moving domicile what happens!! Try financing an expensive car, and you might well have success with relatively average credit, even low credit...Now take a motor coach and try the same financing! Much harder. Why? Motor coaches have real value because when you put them on land, they become a way to increase the value of the land.

    3) The idea of "Savings" is brainwashing... Try to burn the following into your brain: Savings=Giving the bank your money.

    When you give any money to a bank they loan it out for a profit, you get a very small % of that money back as interest, not even enough to keep up with inflation. Even a good rate of return at about 7% and above is less than the bank makes on that money.

    The rich do not save money, neither should you. Money should be used to generate more assets of value, cash for living, or be in one of three categories: SECURITIES meaning stocks, metals, bonds, cash, whole life insurance contracts etc
    BUSINESSES meaning any business venture that is generating capital for you.
    REAL ESTATE.

    These three categories when working together allows one to take cash, which has very little real value, but which we need, and to use it to generate more value. Ultimately what I learned to do was to take the cash coming in and use it towards a Trust that held businesses, then take the write off from the IRS (mortgage expenses, costs associated with improvements on property) and put the money into either securities or whole life insurance contracts that will allow me to defer the taxes on income indefinitely.

    When you save you even get taxed on the little bit you do generate as a profit. The banks use Arbitrage. This is the process of borrowing money for one interest rate and lending it out at another. So when you get that 3 percent on your savings, the bank lends that out at rated of anything from 6 percent on through 12% and up. Why not use your own money for a return? If you have money to save, lend it out at a decent rate, or put it on a tax deferred account and get a return on it. You can get a guaranteed return of up to 7% in some life insurance contracts...all tax deferred. Anything under 7% you get paid the difference, anything over, you split at a percent.

    There is no such thing as "Savings." Get a checking account and learn how to put your money in a trust, and to good use.

    4) What is the reality regarding what costs us? and what protects us?

    lets talk about what kills us: See those swings in the stock market? If you are in the market you could easily learn to work with those and make money with a few simple strategies. You could just leave it alone, if you are in long term especially, its not a big deal. These alarm people when the real wealth killers go to work.

    Inflation and the IRS will kill you. Quite literally. If you owe a debt to the IRS traditionally they have no compunction about sending marshalls over to shoot you. But alas...that is something to just be aware of. Most people lose money by not making their assets as untouchable to the IRS as possible. You need to always have an accountant, tax preparer who really knows what he is doing.

    Again when we talk conspiracies? Try getting a loan when you have protected your assets properly, and work for 1099 income and not a salary. The Banks will not touch you. In other words, they try to get you either way: Tax you incredible amounts of money, or if you are wise, they deny you leverage with your cash... Is this deliberate?

    Inflation is the other killer. If you do not use your money to create assets that are inflation proof, you will never be able to save enough money. Asking people to save 25% of a paycheck for the future, when a paycheck does not even cover all...and then on top of it, the inflation that will make that savings worth so much less....this should clue you in on the nonsense they are feeding you! Instead take that cash and use REal Estate, or a business, to generate assets.

    For example, of I save 100 bucks and hope that in thirty years it will be there for me, even if it is worth 1000 bucks, what is it worth when we consider taxes? inflation? versus if I have a property that I charge market rent to a tenant? With upkeep, that is an expense, but i get tax breaks, the IRS pays me, and when inflation goes up, so does the cost of the rent, so I offset the two biggest threats to a profit, the IRS and Inflation. Ditto for any business that can keep pace with inflation.


    So we now know that we cannot save, we know there are ways we can get the IRS to pay us, instead of take from us...we know the banks will punish us for this, but we also know we can create our own cash pools by putting profits in a cash life insurance policy, or some similar vehicle that is tax deferred and allows me to borrow money against myself, and even pay it back to my account so it exists for my kids, their kids, etc. What else can you do?

    People often create LLC's and other such structures and they are useful. But these structures are, as they say, "Limited." The real structure that the rich use are Trusts. Trusts take your assets out of your name. You can use them as you see fit, but your liability is protected to a much greater degree than a "pass through" stucture like an LLC.

    And that is truly the secret that I learned and researched...That the rich own nothing, pretty much do the opposite of what most of us are told...and the usual excuse is "well they have the money to do those things." You can start a decent trust with a lawyer for under a thousand bucks. Cash life insurance is debatable. I understand that. Again, many people swear they are a swindle. I do not think so. Annuities can also be used... You do have to find a decent product in either case.

    Conclusion:
    I am sharing this because It is what I found when I looked at things...I was desperate. I had no understanding which protected me from the usual nonsense. I hope this helps people and generates some discussion.

    In the final analysis the financial people do not want you to succeed. All the institutions that we have to use are rigged in their favor. For example, If my property has a certain value, and the banks have been paid out for it, why should it matter what other factors are to be considered? Who should care what my other assets are?

    By asking about these assets they make it so a rich person can get a great return, equity out of his property, because he has more money in the bank. Banks are taught to lend money based on the principle that if one needs it, they should be denied, any bank officer will tell you that, it is what they told me! I could also give numerous examples, like the fact a bank will not consider your income numbers using a new loan they are presenting, but your old rate...even though you would be paying the new rate...and deny you based on this rate. Why not? they all work together and if you lose the house, they will get it anyway.

    And think about the fact that many foreign born individuals are succesful because they also do not know enough about "savings" lol. They know what makes sense though...when no one will hire you for a decent job, if you can, you open a business and work hard.

    peace
    Last edited by billeau2; 09-09-2019, 01:13 PM.

    #2
    Thx. I hope there’s more to come on this subject.

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      #3
      Great read, i started learning a bit on this topic a couple of months ago. The thing is I'm living in France and in the next year or two I wouldn't be able to save and invest money as I would have to help my family during that time period. However I'm serious about investing my money in the future and making it work for me, however my knowledge on the subject is still very basic and I'm still trying to figure out how and where to start investing my savings 1-2 years from now. I have to figure out if I want to learn about the stocks, investing in construction work firms, loaning money or learning about betting on the currencies, while as for now I know ***** about any of these subjects.
      Last edited by Offic.Scorecard; 09-10-2019, 10:59 AM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Offic.Scorecard View Post
        Great read, i started learning a bit on this topic a couple of months ago. The thing is I'm living in France and in the next year or two I wouldn't be able to save and invest money as I would have to help my family during that time period. However I'm serious about investing my money in the future and making it work for me, however my knowledge on the subject is still very basic and I'm still trying to figure out how and where to start investing my savings 1-2 years from now. I have to figure out if I want to learn about the stocks, investing in construction work firms, loaning money or learning about betting on the currencies, while as for now I know ***** about any of these subjects.
        Learn how to do one thing well and it will allow you to branch out. For example, with stocks, if you want to start...open a basic investment account. Learn to read about market sentiments, and start out with simply buying the S&P500 shares when you think the market is going to go up. "Thinking" the market goes up meaning, find some basic source material that you like to discuss the trends for the market.

        As you get more into this, you eventually can short the market when think it will go down. Shorting is something to read up on...the one danger is that there is no limit that a stock can lose value...but this is exxagerated and there is a better way (bare with me here). So, at this point? you have taught yourself a little about the market, by buying the market (so to speak). And, like Sugar Ray Robinson, you can fight going both fowards, and backwards, because, you can buy, or short the market now.

        After a while you can purchase a stock product that allows you ti multiply your choice of going fowards, or backwards: I forget the stock symbol but it can be looked up...basically what this stock does is TWICE a buy, or TWICE a short...So when the market goes up, and you are correct, you make twice the gain, and vice versa.

        At this point after you get comfortable with these procedures, you have learned to fight in both directions, so to speak, you have verification about how your source material has led you...you have learned a bit about the market...But wait! before you start looking at stocks, Im going to suggest something that is somewhat contraversial. I would learn about Options. Why Options? Well you got nice leverage with the stock that allowed you twice the buy, twice the short... Options can give you even more leverage. You can buy a susbstantial amount of the stock, and leverage it. In your case, you can increase your move with an option, and if you are shorting the S&P for example, and want some insurance against the price moving against you, then you can hedge your move by buying an option in the opposite direction.

        If you do this procedure for a year, learning about each tool as you add it to simply buying the S&P, you will learn a tremendous amount about how to trade stocks. Then you can take this knowledge and see where you want to go from there.

        A couple of things to be aware of: They tax you! always assume that half your gain is expenses including taxes...It may not be that much, but assume so. Most brokerage accounts, are not expensive I like Ameritrade... and will track your buys and sells for the tax man. It used to be a big deal when I was coming up.

        There are a lot of things to learn about, But when the stock market is violatile like it is right now? If you had been doing this for a year lets say? you would probably be poised to make a lot of money. Options respond very well to violatility! and when you have ups and downs buying an index product, likewise. Learn to get a sense of when to hold, sell and buy. And while some people like to practice? Its just not the same. When your 3 grand is on the line, you have to learn to pull the switch when it is time, and when to not pull the switch. These are some of the things this method will teach one.

        Only play with money you can afford to lose initially. Also, eventually when you start to make cash, you need somewhere to put it. I would recommend a tax deferred vehicle with liquidity. That is why I use what I use...But most people would tell you not to use whole life insurance contracts. Hopefully some of those will weigh in lol. The main thing is to have some mechanism by which to pull out equity and use it to generate more equity...

        Finally? Another great thing to do to have some stock activity is to open an Accorn account. They will take the difference in change, when you use a debit card and invest it in the stock market for very little in terms of fees...So when your starbucks cost 2.55 they will round off the purchase off to 3 dollars and invest the 45 cents in a stock portfolio that you can choose through them.

        Hope this helps. Do Acorn right away and you will thank yourself down the line.

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          #5
          Great mfing thread already.

          I've heard of trusts obviously, but know little about them. Could you go into more details on why a trust is superior to a LLC or just doing what most people do to protect themselves & their assets which is lil to nothing?

          And what do you think about ******curriences disrupting the power banks & our monetary system in general have? Already seeing more & more banks trying to get onto this sphere, but to me any bank connected ******currency isn't a true ******currency & should be avoided. Although I suspect the masses will run to them once theres a Wells Fargo coin.

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            #6
            Originally posted by MOMENTO MORI View Post
            Thx. I hope there’s more to come on this subject.
            Thank you. The main thing is to look at how things actually work, not how they tell is they work. They had a Mexican American on National Public Radio who was lamenting how all his countrymen came over here and had no savings, or health insurance. His mission was to change their mind set. What an ignorant thing to assume on his part.

            this gentleman worked for the financial services industry, and was brainwashed in my opinion. He wanted these people to take away from their succesful business' and give the bank and health insurance industry some of their profits in exchange for a smigeon of interest (not even enough to offset inflation) and a promise (if you get sick you can come into the hospital).

            Can you think of a way you, as an intelligent poster here, could help these restaurant owners to cover health expenses and have emergency savings? How about doing what a lot of church denominations are doing? Set up a pool where people contribute a little in case someone needs medical help? Without the middle man insurance agency the actual cost of medical care if suprisingly low. You have clinics that will take cash and provide operations for example and not only do the doctors make money, but the costs are low! Turns out the most expensive part of medical care is the middle man.





            And these guys...I swear I would contribute to a fund so people could use them and needed a few more bucks...look at the difference in price!



            But noooo! these Mexican immigrants who run a business that feeds people at a reasonable cost should have the same headaches that this brain washed individual and most of us have... and be wiped out for the cost of paying an insurance company when even the most intricate care can be affordable with no middle man.

            Why not, in helping set up a pool where all the people pay maybe 35 bucks a month and a register of cash physicians is made available? Meet the person half way with the pool funds, more if necessary...problem solved.

            And for savings? Have them buy whole life insurance, and accumulate the cash portion. That money can be borrowed against, used for emergencies, etc and paid back to themselves...As long as this money stays in the policy, which can be transferred upon death of the owner, to another family member, it is tax free because the tax is deferred indefinitely!

            These accounts can be invested in anything the person wants, as well. Doing this, these recent arrivals could put all the money they need where it belongs, generating an income for them, and generating more business opportunity.

            Education can also be paid through the savings portion of the insurance contract, through programs like Acorn, etc.

            I went through this because it shows how actually helping versus helping the banks at another's expense really works. What people decide to do, versus what they could do if they are knowlegable, is a bridge that has to be gaped.

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              #7
              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
              Up until I was a young adult I was clueless about money. Then one day my mother in law passed and I became responsible for taking a small estate, making sure my wife's brother, who had schizophrenia was seen after, and my own family was seen after.

              I researched a lot of ideas and if anyone ever wants to look at some great information I found you can always hit me up via Private Message. I found out a lot of things and since then have distilled the information more and more down to an essence.

              Anyone who thinks Shoulder Roll exxagerates? When you start to look at the patterns in our banking system, you can really see where they are working to control money. It becomes very obvious. Here are some principles I discovered: Use em, disagree with em...But look carefully and you may be in for a shock because the proof is there. This thread will be freewheeling when we start. It might become a case of providing proof for these claims...so be it. We shall see! Here are the principles.

              1) When you buy a mortgage, the bank is compensated regardless of whether you pay the mortgage, or not. Not saying you should not pay your mortgage, but one should know why the banks claim they do not want property, yet steal houses despite the house being essentially 'salvage' if anything the property of the insurance company.



              Also, If you want to make sure the bank does not steal your house during a bad time financially? KEEP YOUR MORTGAGE BALANCE AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE! Pull as much equity as you can! Banks do not want the hassle of selling a house that will be a handfull.

              If you were a banker and you had two identical houses, one that the mortgage balance was almost paid in full, the other where the mortgage balance was hardly touched and the person owed most of the balance...which one would you grab to resell? Of course...the one that is almost paid up, the one belonging to the responsible person who paid down their mortgage...Because this house will be easier to sell at a discount and still get the bank's money back, plus s profit to boot. As a bank employee, you might even call a real estate syndicate that is made up of bank capital, to buy the house.

              2) For average people the bank finances things that have no to relatively little value. The less value the better the financing opportunities.

              First lets prove this: Take a television and trace production back through to the early days of tv, and to the 50's when televisions were well made, with tubes of glass, wood cabinetry, etc. Financing a set was done by layaway, i.e. you paid on the set until you paid enough to own it, or, if it was financed, it was done through the store, and was a big deal.

              Back in those days a television had more real value. The craftsmanship, the materials, etc were higher quality. TV's were made to last indefinitely, hence were relatively expensive. Now Televisions are not made with the same quality. they are made with cheaper materials and will last maybe five years on average. All appliances follow this trajectory: The real value based on cost to manufacture, where manufactured, materials used in manufacturing was much greater for an appliance in the 50's as compared to the present. Now a days it is pretty easy to finance a purchase for most appliances. Appliances that are more expensive, built better are harder to finance.

              The total cost of an appliance in the 50's was a greater proportion of one's income, and the materials were more valuable...Not saying that appliances have not improved, that is not the issue here, keep that in mind. It is the same with cars. Again, Its not that appliances and cars are not better today, rather it has to do with the cost associated with the product. The cost of materials, the cost to pay labor, etc.

              A bank would rather finance something that can move (a car) loses value at the drop of a hat, is made to be maintained over its life...than something that they can always find the debtor, (a house) is made to last indefinitely, and will appreciate over time eventually. Why is this? To reposses a car is harder than to reposses a house one would think yes?

              the people behind the banks know that because houses have real value, people who buy them may be able to rise up. Banks see that when immigrants come to this country, not brainwashed with the myths perpetuated by the banking industry, that these immigrants, often open a simple business helping each other with the expense, and manage to become very succesful. So Mexican immigrants get together and buy a storefront, open a basic restaurant, with no help from the bank...this restaurant does not worry about "saving money" it uses money to make the business succesful. Now this family is feeding itself, getting income from the restaurant, and soon can open another restaurant.

              If you look carefully you will notice that things of real value, like businesses, real estate, etc are not easy to finance. You can even see when we transform a vehicle, for example, into a moving domicile what happens!! Try financing an expensive car, and you might well have success with relatively average credit, even low credit...Now take a motor coach and try the same financing! Much harder. Why? Motor coaches have real value because when you put them on land, they become a way to increase the value of the land.

              3) The idea of "Savings" is brainwashing... Try to burn the following into your brain: Savings=Giving the bank your money.

              When you give any money to a bank they loan it out for a profit, you get a very small % of that money back as interest, not even enough to keep up with inflation. Even a good rate of return at about 7% and above is less than the bank makes on that money.

              The rich do not save money, neither should you. Money should be used to generate more assets of value, cash for living, or be in one of three categories: SECURITIES meaning stocks, metals, bonds, cash, whole life insurance contracts etc
              BUSINESSES meaning any business venture that is generating capital for you.
              REAL ESTATE.

              These three categories when working together allows one to take cash, which has very little real value, but which we need, and to use it to generate more value. Ultimately what I learned to do was to take the cash coming in and use it towards a Trust that held businesses, then take the write off from the IRS (mortgage expenses, costs associated with improvements on property) and put the money into either securities or whole life insurance contracts that will allow me to defer the taxes on income indefinitely.

              When you save you even get taxed on the little bit you do generate as a profit. The banks use Arbitrage. This is the process of borrowing money for one interest rate and lending it out at another. So when you get that 3 percent on your savings, the bank lends that out at rated of anything from 6 percent on through 12% and up. Why not use your own money for a return? If you have money to save, lend it out at a decent rate, or put it on a tax deferred account and get a return on it. You can get a guaranteed return of up to 7% in some life insurance contracts...all tax deferred. Anything under 7% you get paid the difference, anything over, you split at a percent.

              There is no such thing as "Savings." Get a checking account and learn how to put your money in a trust, and to good use.

              4) What is the reality regarding what costs us? and what protects us?

              lets talk about what kills us: See those swings in the stock market? If you are in the market you could easily learn to work with those and make money with a few simple strategies. You could just leave it alone, if you are in long term especially, its not a big deal. These alarm people when the real wealth killers go to work.

              Inflation and the IRS will kill you. Quite literally. If you owe a debt to the IRS traditionally they have no compunction about sending marshalls over to shoot you. But alas...that is something to just be aware of. Most people lose money by not making their assets as untouchable to the IRS as possible. You need to always have an accountant, tax preparer who really knows what he is doing.

              Again when we talk conspiracies? Try getting a loan when you have protected your assets properly, and work for 1099 income and not a salary. The Banks will not touch you. In other words, they try to get you either way: Tax you incredible amounts of money, or if you are wise, they deny you leverage with your cash... Is this deliberate?

              Inflation is the other killer. If you do not use your money to create assets that are inflation proof, you will never be able to save enough money. Asking people to save 25% of a paycheck for the future, when a paycheck does not even cover all...and then on top of it, the inflation that will make that savings worth so much less....this should clue you in on the nonsense they are feeding you! Instead take that cash and use REal Estate, or a business, to generate assets.

              For example, of I save 100 bucks and hope that in thirty years it will be there for me, even if it is worth 1000 bucks, what is it worth when we consider taxes? inflation? versus if I have a property that I charge market rent to a tenant? With upkeep, that is an expense, but i get tax breaks, the IRS pays me, and when inflation goes up, so does the cost of the rent, so I offset the two biggest threats to a profit, the IRS and Inflation. Ditto for any business that can keep pace with inflation.


              So we now know that we cannot save, we know there are ways we can get the IRS to pay us, instead of take from us...we know the banks will punish us for this, but we also know we can create our own cash pools by putting profits in a cash life insurance policy, or some similar vehicle that is tax deferred and allows me to borrow money against myself, and even pay it back to my account so it exists for my kids, their kids, etc. What else can you do?

              People often create LLC's and other such structures and they are useful. But these structures are, as they say, "Limited." The real structure that the rich use are Trusts. Trusts take your assets out of your name. You can use them as you see fit, but your liability is protected to a much greater degree than a "pass through" stucture like an LLC.

              And that is truly the secret that I learned and researched...That the rich own nothing, pretty much do the opposite of what most of us are told...and the usual excuse is "well they have the money to do those things." You can start a decent trust with a lawyer for under a thousand bucks. Cash life insurance is debatable. I understand that. Again, many people swear they are a swindle. I do not think so. Annuities can also be used... You do have to find a decent product in either case.

              Conclusion:
              I am sharing this because It is what I found when I looked at things...I was desperate. I had no understanding which protected me from the usual nonsense. I hope this helps people and generates some discussion.

              In the final analysis the financial people do not want you to succeed. All the institutions that we have to use are rigged in their favor. For example, If my property has a certain value, and the banks have been paid out for it, why should it matter what other factors are to be considered? Who should care what my other assets are?

              By asking about these assets they make it so a rich person can get a great return, equity out of his property, because he has more money in the bank. Banks are taught to lend money based on the principle that if one needs it, they should be denied, any bank officer will tell you that, it is what they told me! I could also give numerous examples, like the fact a bank will not consider your income numbers using a new loan they are presenting, but your old rate...even though you would be paying the new rate...and deny you based on this rate. Why not? they all work together and if you lose the house, they will get it anyway.

              And think about the fact that many foreign born individuals are succesful because they also do not know enough about "savings" lol. They know what makes sense though...when no one will hire you for a decent job, if you can, you open a business and work hard.

              peace
              You wouldn’t know. You a broke ass bitch

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                #8
                nice post. thanks.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post
                  Great mfing thread already.

                  I've heard of trusts obviously, but know little about them. Could you go into more details on why a trust is superior to a LLC or just doing what most people do to protect themselves & their assets which is lil to nothing?

                  And what do you think about ******curriences disrupting the power banks & our monetary system in general have? Already seeing more & more banks trying to get onto this sphere, but to me any bank connected ******currency isn't a true ******currency & should be avoided. Although I suspect the masses will run to them once theres a Wells Fargo coin.
                  Corporate structures. like LLC.s Sole Proprietorships, etc are a way of eliminating liability by reorganizing an entity, for tax purposes and asset protection of a sort. The concept is you create a fictional person who bares the profit, the burden and everything in between. These structures are not generally designed for succession, which we will call probate. So, they are not designed to pass on your assets to heirs for example... they are generally (I think all states are of this sort...) have to be registered in a state for tax purposes.

                  You can create many of these structures for the purposes of liability protection. So...what about a Trust? Trusts are like castles, more than simply fictional selves. Whether revocable or irrevocable (can be changes, dissolved, or cannot) they are multi generational and require an administrator to see that they are followed, known as a trustee.

                  The way I see it is corporate structures like LLC's are strictly for business, while Trusts are for all assets of value. An LLC can own assets other than immediate business needs, but are not designed to avoid probate (the court deciding what to do with your assets), while trusts allow for succession. So the big difference is when you have a trustee with instructions, the trust does not end...while what I call "pass through" structures like LLC's end when the business at hand ends.

                  You will get some debate about which is better for protecting assets, I personally would not rely on corporate structures, fictional selves to protect assets when they cannot avoid probate. I am assuming, it is my understanding that LLC's cannot avoid probate... I could be wrong but dont think so. Trusts are ancient documents that were used to establish claims in courts of law, for the sake of heredity and special interests that ran with REAl Property. So a Trust might say: Daniel gets to plant crops and sell them on the grounds, while Harold gets to live in the home. I cannot imagine an LLC making such a stipulation.

                  Which is stronger? One could argue that the rights of succession make a better interest in assets of value. Establishing joint tenancy for example, means when I die my wife takes my interest in the property...If we had a coop, or a Tenancy in Common, she would have to sell my interest. To me? there is a difference in value being able to grant my estate undivided to my spouse...it could be debatable I suppose lol. Why this example? Trusts establish succession and LLC's do not.

                  Here is a something on the subject if it helps



                  If you read this info really carefully you will notice something else: In an LLC the person still owns the property. In a trust, they do not. While this seems Bad, it is actually very good and gets to the heart of why trusts are so vital for people. Quite simply there are legal machinations that one can do with a fictional (LLC) and a real person, that one cannot do with a trust. This is because If I want you to give me a gumball, and I see you have 5 of them in a jar...yu may tell me "those gumballs are mine, but they are protected by that jar... On some level we know those are your gumballs. On the other hand, if the same gumballs are given to a giant Samoan, we will call "Tiny" and Tiny owns them with the condition that you can tell him what to do with the gumballs at any time... Well in a very real sense those gumballs belong to Tiny who as a trustee must follow the rules of the gum ball giveaway.

                  With ****** currency we have to be careful. The government wants to chip us. They want all monetary activity on that chip. So in many ways they are behind ****** currency. On the other hand, ****** currency does control an amazing amount of value in the marketplace of the web.

                  Cash is worth very little in fact. And the banks already, if you think about it, use cash like a renegade ****** currency. We just mine more whenever we need it right? And who creates the cash? Not the treasury...The FEderal REserve, a private entity...Quasi private at least.

                  Another problem is that mining these currencies take a lot of power. with that said there is value in these currencies but here is the big problem, it is the same problem the Gold Bugs have. Lets say you have a currency, or lets say gold goes really high up. So now your gold is worth ten times as much, or your ****** currency is worth a million dollars and it cost you 100 bucks...When do you take it off the table? and where do you then put it? See when you trade currencies for example, you make a trade, and you then have a settlement right?

                  You bought the currency usually as a hedge, to have around when the dollar is really weak right? So if loaf of bread costs 20 bucks, you can fractionalize your gold (they have these products now) and buy that bread cheaper. That is all well and good, but what happens now that your currency/Gold is worth a lot? Do you turn it into dollars? wait until it goes down again?

                  You have to have a mechanism to take profits. And to put them into something that will generate more valuable assets. If we ever get so bad that a loaf of bread costs 20 bucks, then the logical thing to do is stock up on soap, bread, shampoo, sugar, noodles...don't laugh ramen and tuna fish are currency in jail for a reason.

                  If you want to get into ****** currencies, you better have a way to measure value and produce more value...Thats my point. Aside from that remember that you have on the one hand, pirates, who use the ******s and the government which wants to make all money ****** so they can chip us, and make us so beholden that when we do not do as we are told, they shut off our chip.

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                    Originally posted by Pretty Boy32 View Post
                    You wouldn’t know. You a broke ass bitch
                    Banned again? how about staying away for awhile? its flattering that you keep following me but frankly your a pain in the rump toots. Don't take it personally but why don't you and true fan go milk a few almonds.

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