Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[taws6]

true true but tyson did have trouble with taller guys such as mitch green, tony tucker, and douglas. If the two fought in the early 90s tyson would have probably koed him within 7 rounds. i was just showing the competition level at the time.

[StarshipTrooper]

Isn't it funny how little respect Holyfield gets when most boxing historians place him higher than Tyson on the ATG lists if they even place Tyson there at all?

Poet

[them_apples]

Isn't it funny how little respect Holyfield gets when most boxing historians place him higher than Tyson on the ATG lists if they even place Tyson there at all?

A lot of boxing historians are on cloud 9, they think Jack Johnson is better than holyfield, so they shouldn't really talk. I would respect a boxing historian under the age of 30, but over that its all dream world.

[Verstyle]

Isn't it funny how little respect Holyfield gets when most boxing historians place him higher than Tyson on the ATG lists if they even place Tyson there at all?

Poet

I give Holyfield the upmost respect. I even did a thread on him some time ago.http://jeetwin188.com/forums/sh...ight=holyfield

[StarshipTrooper]

I give Holyfield the upmost respect. I even did a thread on him some time ago.http://jeetwin188.com/forums/sh...ight=holyfield

That's because you're one of the good guys Versi. Most of the time what I hear from posters is contempt for Holyfield and they aren't talking about his pathetic comeback either: They're talking about the prime of his career.

Poet

[BKM-]

Isn't it funny how little respect Holyfield gets when most boxing historians place him higher than Tyson on the ATG lists if they even place Tyson there at all?

Poet

He's my second favorite and I made like 15 minutes of highlight reels of the guy. Just so you know you're talking to a sane guy here as well.

[StarshipTrooper]

I give Holyfield the upmost respect. I even did a thread on him some time ago.http://jeetwin188.com/forums/sh...ight=holyfield

He's my second favorite and I made like 15 minutes of highlight reels of the guy. Just so you know you're talking to a sane guy here as well.

Amen brother!

PS. There are a certain number of guys I rely on to make great, intellient threads. You and Versi are two of them

Poet

[Franko]

I watch him daily,he was something really special.No one is perfect as a fighter,but in his prime his PHYSICAL skills were damn close.I havnt see a heavyweight since Tyson to have that kind of speed he had,nor defensive moves.He would get in the pocket of fighters and still rarely get hit.He was explosive as **** for a heavyweight.

Ive analyzed Tyson's fights for almost 4 years,as I fight the peek-a-boo like him.So I analyze everything he did around 85-88 very closely.When you study a fighter as much as Ive studied Tyson,you see things that the normal person that has only seen lets say Tyson-Biggs fight 3 times in their life.Well Ive seen that fight well over 100 times,literally,and thats only that fight.

The thing I cant stand is when ppl that really havnt seen alot of Tyson's fights always got something negative to say. Example:He fought bums,in his early years he fought ppl that had better records then he did.Im saying the 85' Tyson.Most ppl starting off would fight someone that has about the same record as them.I mean how many fighters starting out fight guys that are 20-0? When they're only 6-0?He also was in the Heavyweight belt Tournament,in which he didnt choose who he fought.He fought Gold Medalist,2 of them.He fought 2 legends,#1 contenders,title holders.How is a title holder a bum? Another thing is they say he didnt fight ppl that fought back,then who the hell is Razor Ruddock? They say he had no heart,you dont get beat down by Lewis and Douglas for over 8 rounds and not have heart to still try to win.You dont continue fighting when you hurt your knee and try to continue fighting. Those are the ones I cant stand.The ones that really dont have knowledge of Tyson to really comment on what he's done besides an ear biting and other recent fights or hearsay from other ppl. You cant judge a man on what he's done during the tail end of his career.

I agree with much of what you say, and indeed, Mike Tyson would have been a test for any fighter in heavyweight history prime for prime, but regardless of whether he had stayed under the guidance of Kevin Rooney, and regardless of how his life turned out, i wouldn't say he would have been unbeatable, and IMO he would have lost eventually even had he stayed with Kevin Rooney. As i've mentioned in my other post, Tyson fought some very good fighters at the peak of his powers, some of whom were not given enough credit due to the fact that they were in the same division as the ferocious Tyson, but IMO the likes of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis were an obvious step up in calibre from the fighters that Tyson fought at his very best (Larry Holmes was far past his prime). It's just a shame that Tyson only fought two of them when not at his best, and of course, Lennox Lewis came along too late for that. Although Tyson was pretty much a clear winner over Mitch Green, Tony Tucker, and James Smith, i seem to remember each of them causing Tyson some problems e.g. Green had fast hands and that troubled Tyson, Smith was too cautious but hurt Tyson in the final round, and Tucker staggered Tyson. This is in no way meant to be a negative attitude towards Tyson as there is nothing much negative about Tyson the fighter at the peak of his powers, and i'm a big fan of Tyson... but i'm honest too.

[StarshipTrooper]

I agree with much of what you say, and indeed, Mike Tyson would have been a test for any fighter in heavyweight history prime for prime, but regardless of whether he had stayed under the guidance of Kevin Rooney, and regardless of how his life turned out, i wouldn't say he would have been unbeatable, and IMO he would have lost eventually even had he stayed with Kevin Rooney. As i've mentioned in my other post, Tyson fought some very good fighters at the peak of his powers, some of whom were not given enough credit due to the fact that they were in the same division as the ferocious Tyson, but IMO the likes of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis were an obvious step up in calibre from the fighters that Tyson fought at his very best (Larry Holmes was far past his prime). It's just a shame that Tyson only fought two of them when not at his best, and of course, Lennox Lewis came along too late for that. Although Tyson was pretty much a clear winner over Mitch Green, Tony Tucker, and James Smith, i seem to remember each of them causing Tyson some problems e.g. Green had fast hands and that troubled Tyson, Smith was too cautious but hurt Tyson in the final round, and Tucker staggered Tyson. This is in no way meant to be a negative attitude towards Tyson as there is nothing much negative about Tyson the fighter at the peak of his powers, and i'm a big fan of Tyson... but i'm honest too.

And Frank Bruno wobbled him like three times.

Poet

[Verstyle]

I agree with much of what you say, and indeed, Mike Tyson would have been a test for any fighter in heavyweight history prime for prime, but regardless of whether he had stayed under the guidance of Kevin Rooney, and regardless of how his life turned out, i wouldn't say he would have been unbeatable, and IMO he would have lost eventually even had he stayed with Kevin Rooney. As i've mentioned in my other post, Tyson fought some very good fighters at the peak of his powers, some of whom were not given enough credit due to the fact that they were in the same division as the ferocious Tyson, but IMO the likes of Holyfield, Bowe, and Lewis were an obvious step up in calibre from the fighters that Tyson fought at his very best (Larry Holmes was far past his prime). It's just a shame that Tyson only fought two of them when not at his best, and of course, Lennox Lewis came along too late for that. Although Tyson was pretty much a clear winner over Mitch Green, Tony Tucker, and James Smith, i seem to remember each of them causing Tyson some problems e.g. Green had fast hands and that troubled Tyson, Smith was too cautious but hurt Tyson in the final round, and Tucker staggered Tyson. This is in no way meant to be a negative attitude towards Tyson as there is nothing much negative about Tyson the fighter at the peak of his powers, and i'm a big fan of Tyson... but i'm honest too.

In the Green fight is seemed as if Tyson was playing with Green,he had a smile on his face for the quarter of the fight. He came in that fight with a game plan to fight like Frazier.What other fight has he ever came out like that?Its not like he didnt know of Green's speed,he was well aware and prepared himself for it. As for the Smith fight,even the commentators said you cant make a fight if the other participant isnt willing to fight.In which Smith wasnt,all he did was walk away or tie up. Tyson was very active in that fight,but you can only do so much. As for the Tucker fight.I still think he got staggered because he was off balance,his feet were side to side.More of an off balanced shot then staggered. View it for yourself.