Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[them_apples]

Third off, what the living HELL are you smoking? No one had one punch power until the 80s? Joe Louis, 1940s. Rocky Marciano, 1950s (If you don't believe he had one punch power watch the Walcott fight). Sonny Liston, 1960s. Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers (hardest hitting Heavyweight ever), 1970s. You're living in a dreamland dude. This is the kind of attitude I mentioned earlier about believing everything that happend before you were born automatically must have ******.

yikes calm down and stay civilized, tell me one fight that knocks a guy down with one punch, and I mean the first knockdown to..not so beat up bum getting up staggering and then gets hammered to the ground. For example..Tua vs Ruiz,
Mercer vs morrison, Tyson vs Eddie Richardson or Carl Williams..

Show me a fight where this happens and I will gladly apologize.

You keep thinking as if I haven't ever watched older fights, but that's not true, your glorifying the older fighters just as much as I glorify newer ones, its all based on opinion at this point, and as far as performance goes later fighter's were better. IMO

[StarshipTrooper]

yikes calm down and stay civilized, tell me one fight that knocks a guy down with one punch, and I mean the first knockdown to..not so beat up bum getting up staggering and then gets hammered to the ground. For example..Tua vs Ruiz,
Mercer vs morrison, Tyson vs Eddie Richardson or Carl Williams..

Show me a fight where this happens and I will gladly apologize.

Joe Louis - Paulino Uzcaden
Rocky Marciano - Joe Walcott I
Sonny Liston - Wayne Bethea
Sonny Liston - Floyd Patterson I
Sonny Liston - Floyd Patterson II
George Foreman - Ken Norton
Earnie Shavers - Ken Norton

These are just off the top of my head: Given time to do some real thinking I would undoubtably come up with a bunch more.

Poet

[The Noose]

I'm sorry I don't buy it, It wouldn't have mattered who was in Tyson's corner that night. As I've said previously, If there was any boxer out there, that knew the game inside out, it was Tyson, he has probably watched more fights and studied them more than any other fighter in history, he should have known what to have done in all of the fights he was losing, but on every occasion he was put off his game plan, simply because they stood up to him, and any real Tyson fan should know this, that was always his biggest problem even way back in the early days in his amatuer fights, read the accounts of Teddy Atlas and co, even when Tyson was winning fights, if they kept getting up and standing up to him even with not much success, Tyson would come back to the corner at the end of a round and make up excuses that his hand broke or his wrist was damaged, simply because he never liked it when opponents stood up to him. Although he never quit in the ring, he quit mentally when someone stood up to him, and it completely put him off his game plan. Even in his so called prime he was a 6-7 round fighter and then lost concentration and neglected everything that made him such a terrific fighter offensively and defensevely. In every fight he lost, he realised from early on that they weren't gonna just lie down, and most important weren't intimidated by him, which in turn intimidated Tyson and therefore put him off his gameplan, he would look tentative and when he did attack it was from straight on, just throwing single shots and looking for the win. He had all the tools to beat Holyfield and Lewis except for the mental toughness, he never really knew how to fight back when everything was against him. Look at the Lewis fight, he started off against Lewis great, looking like old Tyson for 2 rounds. But Lewis stood up to him and fired back and this was what put Tyson off, he came out in the 3rd round looking like a different fighter, where did his skills go, they didn't just disappear and it wasn't stamina it was mental. I am a Tyson fan, but not a nuthugger and as a knowledgable fight fan, I could see all his weaknesses, I said the same thing way back in 87-88 and I was right all along. He believed the hype about himself, everyone said he was invincible and he thought everyone would just lie down and when they never he didn't know what to do, all he had to do would have been fight as he normally did, slipping punches, lateral movement and hard fast combos switching from head to body, he should have known that but when you lose your confidence and don't think your gonna win, you do ****** things. How many Tyson fans watched his defeats and were screaming at the TV come on mike what on earth are you doing, where is the lateral movement, the slipping of the punches, where are the combos, why are you just wading in straight on throwing single shots, be honest you all were but used excuses he didn't train or hes past his prime, when in fact all along he was missing that one important ingrediant in a great fighter, and that is a great mind, and the true heart of a champion to suck it up, and fire back with as much as you can, not just single shots.

Tyson did need guidance. He needed someone in his corner wen things werent going his way.
In tough fights where he couldnt put his opponent away, Rooney would reasure him and instruct him what to do. For example in the Tucker fight, where Rooney told him to just use his jab and NOT try and KO him.

Without Rooney i believe he thought he could KO everyone, and thats where he lost his technique and how to really set up the KO.
He was wild and his defence poor in his first fight without Rooney in his corner against Bruno.

After prison i cant think of one fight where he landed a great combination. He had become a big puncher and nothing more.

[Wiley Hyena]

James J. "The Boilermaker" Jeffries knocked a guy out in the 55th second of the first round...the all time heavyweight championship record. But, then again, none of the modern fighters could have contended with Jeffries who often went over 25 rounds with 3 ounce gloves. In his prime, he was never beaten, or even knocked down, and retired as undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion. Tyson was not, in any sense "the greatest of all time." lol Not even close.

[them_apples]

Hey poet, I appreciate you posting videos but not to be an *******, many of those videos (the ones I could find, or have already seen) weren't one hit knockdowns/outs like the ones I suggested, in particular the Patterson vs Liston, where Patterson takes multiple grazing shots to the head before being staggered and then dropped. Its a big difference in comparison to what Ray mercer did to Tommy Morrison, smashing him in the face the first few seconds of the fight and knocking him cold. In Norton vs Foreman, he gets hammered by foreman repeatedly before he finally takes a shot and goes down. these are typical knockouts, they aren't one hit ****ers like I was saying. I'm talking about one huge shot out of nowhere -- knocking a guy senseless, and I haven't seen it yet prior to the 80's+

55th second of the first round...the all time heavyweight championship record.

Tyson has repeatedly knocked guys out in the 40 second range, so has tua.

[BKM-]

Marciano vs Louis and Walcott l
Patterson vs Johansson ll
Walcott vs Charles lll
Louis vs Braddock
Shavers vs Ellis

There are many classics. them apples, i'm not trying to be rude mentioning these to you, but you should really check them out. They're some of the sweetest 1 pounch knockouts before the 80s. And again, there are many many more.

[StarshipTrooper]

Hey poet, I appreciate you posting videos but not to be an *******, many of those videos (the ones I could find, or have already seen) weren't one hit knockdowns/outs like the ones I suggested, in particular the Patterson vs Liston, where Patterson takes multiple grazing shots to the head before being staggered and then dropped. Its a big difference in comparison to what Ray mercer did to Tommy Morrison, smashing him in the face the first few seconds of the fight and knocking him cold. In Norton vs Foreman, he gets hammered by foreman repeatedly before he finally takes a shot and goes down. these are typical knockouts, they aren't one hit ****ers like I was saying. I'm talking about one huge shot out of nowhere -- knocking a guy senseless, and I haven't seen it yet prior to the 80's+



Tyson has repeatedly knocked guys out in the 40 second range, so has tua.

Dude, Mercer knocked out Morrison in the 4th round. Also, you said one punch KOs you didn't specify how many rounds. Further more, grazing blows hardly count in the scoring let alone causing any damage.

Poet

[sleazyfellow]

I'm talking about one huge shot out of nowhere -- knocking a guy senseless, and I haven't seen it yet prior to the 80's+

Tyson has repeatedly knocked guys out in the 40 second range, so has tua.

what the hell? do you even know what a one punch knockout is? and to think that nobody did it since the 80s is just ignorant. Robinson fulmer 2 springs to mind..but let me guess, robinson hit him thru out the fight so it doesnt count? what about **** tiger/bob foster?

[Wiley Hyena]

Jeffries' famous knockout remained the record at least through the 1970s, regarding championship fights. Tua was never champ so the record could not have been broken by Tua. If Tyson broke it, then I thank you for the correction, but I'm still not sure that is the case.

[them_apples]

my bad poet it was a 5th round knockout I think (I googled it quickly) but Morrison was knocked out with one punch, his eyes are closed for the rest of the beating.

Tyson vs richardson, one hit knockdown
Tua vs ruiz

you know what I'm getting at, in the meantime I'm still going through the barrage of videos people are posting.

what the hell? do you even know what a one punch knockout is? and to think that nobody did it since the 80s is just ignorant. Robinson fulmer 2 springs to mind..but let me guess, robinson hit him thru out the fight so it doesnt count? what about **** tiger/bob foster?

yea we are talking about heavy weights ray of sunshine, so calm the hell down. If people want to argue or prove me wrong they can at least do it sensibly.

effries' famous knockout remained the record at least through the 1970s, regarding championship fights. Tua was never champ so the record could not have been broken by Tua. If Tyson broke it, then I thank you for the correction, but I'm still not sure that is the case.

For a title fight then yea I wouldn't know, I was just saying there were quicker knockouts. I don't think Tyson has knocked out a guy quicker than 90 seconds for a championship fight.