James J Corbett's 3 Best Wins?

[Ivich]

Which do you think they are?

[Dr. Z]

I say they were Choysnki, McCoy, and Mitchell. Historically speaking you have to add Sullivan too. Although is not a win, he got a 61 round draw with Peter Jackson which confirms his quality. His win over Kilrain should rate as significant too. All of the mention names are in the boxing all of fame. Why do I get the feeling you are going to degrade Corbett?

[Ivich]

Who do you think they are?

Choynski 165/ 172lbs Both were 3 fight novices, hardly a defining fight.


McCoy less,he weighed 173 for Jack Root 3 years later.Very likely a fix.

"It seems certain that McCoy faked the knockout loss to win bets."


Mitchell 165lbs.



How many men over 175lbs did he beat ?

A nearly 34 years old, 4 and a half years retired ,alcoholic Sullivan.which took him 21 rds

A fat out of shape Kilrain.

"No in-fighting was allowed, which favoured Corbett .[It was noted that just a few days earlier Kilrain and his troupe of boxers and wrestlers were arrested following the accidental death of one Tom James, a citizen of Dallas."


Corbett's Resume 11-4-3
Facts.
Thats it!
Not the stuff heavyweight legends are made of.imo

[Willie Pep 229]

I say they were Choysnki, McCoy, and Mitchell. Historically speaking you have to add Sullivan too. Although is not a win, he got a 61 round draw with Peter Jackson which confirms his quality. His win over Kilrain should rate as significant too. All of the mention names are in the boxing all of fame. Why do I get the feeling you are going to degrade Corbett?

Good call! -- Just bait; no intention of having a real discussion. People catching on and not replying.

[Ivich]

Good call! -- Just bait; no intention of having a real discussion. People catching on and not replying.

Prove me wrong? Debate ,persuade me Corbett has a winning resume that ranks above shallow?
I'm here every day and I'll discuss any thread I post.

Not biting means no argument to offer,and we both know it!

[Dr. Z]

Good call! -- Just bait; no intention of having a real discussion. People catching on and not replying.

We it's the truth. But such things are not mentioned and certain poster has it out for Corbett and has smeared him in the past. No need to mention names. I'm here to discuss relevant information as always. The old rankings have Corbett very high.

Sullivan may rate among Corbett's top three wins. He is certainly the most famous of Corbett's victories. It's hard to tell with no film of the Corbett fight, let alone film Sullivan fighting in the ring. There is at least no ring film on Sullivan. You can see Sullivan however hitting a bag 18+ years after retirement! There are stories of Sullivan vs Corbett still shots in machine old machine that were viewed in the times. So I've heard, but I have no proof of this.

Sullivan was just 32 years old for the fight and in shape for him at the times. Yet he was badly out classed in fight with Corbett possibly did not win a single round. At least he did not in the mentioned rounds I read. If you think of it, Corbett would be very hard for many famous champions on the10 point must scoring system in 12 rounds fights like we have today.

[Dr. Z]

Prove me wrong? Debate ,persuade me Corbett has a winning resume that ranks above shallow?
I'm here every day and I'll discuss any thread I post.

Not biting means no argument to offer,and we both know it!

I'm staying out of this one, and I hope there is no biting.

[Dr. Z]

Choynski 165/ 172lbs Both were 3 fight novices, hardly a defining fight.


McCoy less,he weighed 173 for Jack Root 3 years later.Very likely a fix.

"It seems certain that McCoy faked the knockout loss to win bets."


Mitchell 165lbs.



How many men over 175lbs did he beat ?

A nearly 34 years old, 4 and a half years retired ,alcoholic Sullivan.which took him 21 rds

A fat out of shape Kilrain.

"No in-fighting was allowed, which favoured Corbett .[It was noted that just a few days earlier Kilrain and his troupe of boxers and wrestlers were arrested following the accidental death of one Tom James, a citizen of Dallas."


Corbett's Resume 11-4-3
Facts.
Thats it!
Not the stuff heavyweight legends are made of.imo

You see, as predicted. The arguments been made by him before... many times. He doesn't really do research or know ring records and Choynski's some of Choynski caarer are not recorded. Such hypocrisy! Choynski leaving Johnson him out cold. The same Jack Johnson who beat teenager Sam Mcvey, Joe Jeanette with an 0- 3 record and a 20 year old Sam Langford who is listed at 156 pounds by Box Rec. How's that for research?

Rather he only knows what Box Rec reports. I researched Corbett's ring record by way and he has what many would call " news wins " in several fights where observers thought he was the better. He was something like 30-0 before meeting Fitzsimmons. The names and fighters not are list in box rec!

For the readers who would like to see a round by round report of Corbett vs Sullivan they can view it below.

[Dr. Z]

Corbett's Resume 11-4-3 - Tony, Mcvey, Tonto63 and Ivich

This should help you, Count the wins if you must.



I count way more the 11 you report! Now how many fights did Corbett win?

By the way the list of wins is from historians and does not include the " news wins " I was talking about.



Corbett's known records. It's way more than 11 wins.

35	Loss	23–4–5 (3)		TKO	10 (20)	14 Aug 1903	Mechanic's Pavilion, San Francisco, California, U.S.	For world heavyweight title
34	Win	23–3–5 (3)		KO	5 (25)	30 Aug 1900	, New York City, New York, U.S.
33	Loss	22–3–5 (3)		KO	23 (25), 2:11	11 May 1900	Seaside Athletic Club, , New York, U.S.	For world heavyweight title
32	Loss	22–2–5 (3)		DQ	9 (20)	22 Nov 1898	Mechanic's Pavilion, San Francisco, California, U.S.
31	Loss	22–1–5 (3)		KO	14	17 Mar 1897	The Race Track Arena, , U.S.	Lost world heavyweight title
30	Draw	22–0–5 (3)		PTS	4	24 Jun 1896	Mechanic's Pavilion, San Francisco, California, U.S.
29	Win	22–0–4 (3)		KO	3	25 Jan 1894	Duvall Athletic Club, , U.S.	Retained world heavyweight title
28	Win	21–0–4 (3)		KO	21, 1:30	7 Sep 1892	, New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.	Won
27	Win	20–0–4 (3)	John McCann	TKO	1	6 Apr 1892	, U.S.
26	NC	19–0–4 (3)	Joe Lannon	PTS	4	16 Feb 1892	, New York, U.S.
25	Win	19–0–4 (2)	Ed Kinney	PTS	4	8 Oct 1891	, U.S.
24	NC	18–0–4 (2)		NC	61	21 May 1891	California Athletic Club, San Francisco, California, U.S.
23	Win	18–0–4 (1)		TKO	4 (4)	14 Apr 1890	Fifth Avenue Casino, , U.S.
22	Win	17–0–4 (1)		PTS	6	18 Feb 1890	Southern Athletic Club, New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.
21	Draw	16–0–4 (1)	Dave Campbell	PTS	10	28 Dec 1889	, San Francisco, California, U.S.
20	Win	16–0–3 (1)	Australian Billy Smith	PTS	6	12 Dec 1889	Portland, Oregon, U.S.
19	Win	15–0–3 (1)	Australian Billy Smith	PTS	6	11 Dec 1889	, U.S.
18	Win	14–0–3 (1)	George Atkinson	KO	1	Jul 1889	San Francisco, California, U.S.
17	Win	13–0–3 (1)		PTS	4	15 Jul 1889	San Francisco, California, U.S.
16	Win	12–0–3 (1)		KO	27	5 Jun 1889	Benicia Harbor, , California, U.S.
15	NC	11–0–3 (1)		NC	4	30 May 1889	, California, U.S.
14	Win	11–0–3		PTS	6	Nov 1888	San Francisco, California, U.S.
13	Draw	10–0–3	Frank Glover	PTS	3	30 Jun 1888	San Francisco, California, U.S.
12	Win	10–0–2	Bill Hayes	KO	3	1887	San Francisco, California, U.S.
11	Draw	9–0–2	Jack Burke	PTS	3	27 Aug 1887	San Francisco, California, U.S.
10	Win	9–0–1	Martin Costello	PTS	3	2 Feb 1887	San Francisco, California, U.S.
9	Win	8–0–1	James C. Dailey	TKO	2	2 Feb 1887	San Francisco, California, U.S.
8	Win	7–0–1	Duncan McDonald	PTS	6	Dec 1886	, U.S.
7	Draw	6–0–1	Duncan McDonald	PTS	6	3 Jul 1886	Opera House, Salt Lake City, Utah, U.S.
6	Win	6–0	Frank Smith	DQ	3	3 Jul 1886	Pavilion, , U.S.
5	Win	5–0	William T. Welch	KO	1	3 Dec 1885	, California, U.S.
4	Win	4–0	Dave Eisemann	TKO	2	28 Aug 1885	, San Francisco, California, U.S.
3	Win	3–0	Professor John Donaldson	PTS	4	1885	San Francisco, California, U.S.
2	Win	2–0	Billy Keneally	PTS	4	1884	San Francisco, California, U.S.
1	Win	1–0		KO	1	1884	, U.S.

[Ivich]

Prove me wrong? Debate ,persuade me Corbett has a winning resume that ranks above shallow?
I'm here every day and I'll discuss any thread I post.

Not biting means no argument to offer,and we both know it!

"and Choynski's some of Choynski caarer are not recorded. Such hypocrisy! Choynski leaving Johnson him out cold."
"We it's the truth."


" certain poster has it out for Corbett and has smeared him"


Is this really the best this Moron can do?


NB Exhibitions are NOT fights!
NB Sullivan was born on October the 15th 1858
He fought Corbett on 7th of September 1892 making him 33 ,or one month off of 34.

He had been out of the ring for nearly 4 years.




Posters like Dr Zero should be put down.