Felix Trinidad vTommy Hearns At Light Middle?

[cyril layman]

Castillo was a 29 year old world champion. He was in his prime. Unless you can point out somethimg in the ring to indicate that he wasn't then you don't have a case.

Hatton was unbeaten when he fought Mayweather. So what does Hatton against Pacquiao have to do with anything?


Shane Mosley was in the top 10 pound for pound when he fought Mayweather. That speaks for itself.



As far as Corrales, his future can't be used as an excuse for what happened in the ring that night. You're trying to create narratives to discredit Mayweather but the facts make them meaninless.



Quartey was dropped twice and didn't look like the same fighter before he fought Delahoya. And he never did after his near 2 year lay off. So obviously wasn't in his prime.

Mosley was 39 years old give me a break.Actually Corrales future can be a very good excuse (it's obvious you never boxed) see Boxing is 50% physical & 50% mental.Quartey didn't look like the same fighter seriously-really?Dela Hoya fought his ass off to win that fight as did Quartey.Again it wasn't a 2 year lay off to be exact it was 18 months & it depends on what you are doing if he trains & spars on his time he isn't actually fighting than it shouldn't be a problem & in fact that was a really good fight & both fighters looked sharp.Are you sure you actually saw that fight.Hatton was a little boy who was out of his league fighting at 147.Quartey moved up to 154 to fight Vargas after Oscar & in that fight he did looked off & not right but the Oscar fight he looked good.

[cyril layman]

That 5th round left hook from Leonard tells everything we need to know about Hearns chin. Also, Hearns didn't recover well after getting hurt. I don't think he had a glass jaw but his recovery from getting hurr was not good. James Kinchen had him badly hurt too.


With that said, Hearns stops Trinidad. His boxing skills were far better.

Actually it was a left upper cut with a minute to go in the 6th round not the 5th.Hearn's did recover well,if he didn't we wouldn't have got the greatest WW championship fight of all time.All ww championship fights get compared to this fight it was one of the few times a championship fight lived up to the hype.The first 5 & a half rounds Hearns was the puncher & stalker than Leonard hurts hearns & he becomes the puncher & stalker & Hearns becomes the boxer.Then around round 10 it turns again & hearns once again becomes the puncher until round 13 when Leonard lands a right that hurts hearns & knocks hearns down late in round 13 & stops him in round 14.Ring magazine ranked this fight 2nd greatest fight of the 1980's just behind Arguello vs Pryor this was a good 20 years ago so it could be different now although can't see them changing it.
Kinchen did hurt Hearns badly but it was hearns that won it.I am a big Hagler fan & have seen a lot of his fights & have only seen him hurt once & that was very early in rd 1 against Hearns who ended up breaking his right hand in rd one not that it would have mattered because once Hagler warmed up he started to walk through hearns best.I believe to Hearns power would have been to much for Trinidad but because of Hearns questionable chin & the fact that Trinidad too had power in both hands would have given trinidad a punchers chance.Hearns also had a great jab reach & height advantage.Either way this fight doesn't go past rd 4.

[Anthony342]

Oh I agree to do not think Spinks beat Holmes or at the very least did enough to take the title from him.The second fight was even more in Holmes favour.Holmes never got the credit he deserves i have actually got him 3rd greatest HW all time & get a lot of crap for that but he did go on to defend his belt 19 consecutive times.The reason he doesn't get the credit is because of the era,there wasn't a lot of big named HW during his fighting days.People forget the Norton vs Holmes fight for the HW Belt which was fight of the year in 1978.He Knocked out Cooney who was undefeated.Stopped Shavers as Champion who is ranked one of the hardest HW punchers of all time.He lost to Tyson in his comeback at 38 years old & after being retired for 2 years with no tune up fight.Ali with out question is the greatest HW ever with Louis in a close second.Where would you put Tyson among HW all time?

Not sure, as I'm not as good at ranking as the historians we got on here. But from what I've learned, he seems to be about a Top 10 heavyweight at least. Holmes is usually ranked top 5, which sounds about right. Cool thing about Holmes is he also became lineal when he beat Ali, albeit his corpse really. I believe Holmes was even undisputed, as there were only two title belts at the time before the IBF belt came around. And even when the IBF came around, he was awarded that as well. Funny thing is Lederman was one of the judges in the first Homes-Spinks fight I noticed when watching the Holmes set I had and HBO seemed to bring him in after that for the rematch.

I like that even when Larry was active, he was already thinking about making additional income and saving his money, much like the heavyweight whose record he tried to beat, my all-time favorite and avatar, Rocky Marciano. I saw a news report from the time when he was still active that showed several businesses Holmes had already started and was running successfully in his hometown of Easton, PA and I thought good for him. I always hated these stories of former fighters ending up penniless or barely scraping by. We hear about it a lot with entertainers/pro wrestlers often too. From the Marciano bios I've seen, it seems like his manager Al Weill took way too big a percentage of his purses, so he was smart to get paid in cash and hide his money when it came to outside business ventures, even after retirement, although that was probably more for tax purposes by then. I loved the story Bert Sugar told on the ESPN Ringside episode on Marciano when Rocky was at a black tie dinner and refused a bank check for several thousand dollars, so they had to pass around a hat to take up a collection. Rocky took the cash out of the hat for a few grand instead of the bank check for at least 10 grand, thanked the host after making his speech and left. Supposedly money was hidden in picture frames and pipes, etc. Kinda reminds me of how Rod Serling's widow would sometimes still find hidden cigarettes after his death because nobody else knew where he hid them lol.

I pretty much agree with these assessments too. A lot of these fantasy fights I can't pick because I haven't watch the guys, but I've seen both Trinidad and Hearns. Hearns would be too tough and that right hand would be too much for Felix. Trinidad probably lasts longer than Duran, but it probably finishes inside the distance.

Used to have Ali at 1, now I have Louis there with Ali just barely behind at 2. And most of the lists I've seen based on resume seem to go Robinson, Greb, Armstrong or Robinson, Armstrong, Greb and then it seems to be a toss up for 4 and 5 pound for pound. So probably gotta throw a heavyweight in there or 2. Most likely a Louis and Ali, maybe a Langford, then Ali could work too. I know Langford is supposed to have a good resume too. Oh yeah, Lennox Lewis, definitely Top 5 among heavyweights for sure dude. I know Jab can speak more about Langford, as he's studied his career more at length.

[them_apples]

It was Leonard vs Hearns 1 that we found out about Hearns questionable chin.Hagler went after Hearns from the get go & never stopped,he just over whelmed him.I saw a good 26 of Haglers fights & only saw him hurt once & that was very early in round 1 against Hearns & that says a lot.Not once was he hurt against John (the beast) Magabi 26 0 0 26ko.Hearns actually broke his right hand in the first round against Hagler,although i do not think it would have matter as Hagler started to warm up he started walking through Hearns punches.

he never touched down, Hearns got tired. We saw his defense exposed but not really his chin. Look at the guys Leonard laid out cold with the same punches.

[them_apples]

It was Leonard vs Hearns 1 that we found out about Hearns questionable chin.Hagler went after Hearns from the get go & never stopped,he just over whelmed him.I saw a good 26 of Haglers fights & only saw him hurt once & that was very early in round 1 against Hearns & that says a lot.Not once was he hurt against John (the beast) Magabi 26 0 0 26ko.Hearns actually broke his right hand in the first round against Hagler,although i do not think it would have matter as Hagler started to warm up he started walking through Hearns punches.

I agree though after Hagler shook off that first blow from Hearns that stung him a bit, the fight was over then and there. Once you took power out of the equasion Hearns had holes in his game - mainly his height and offense was his defense. He really neglected defense and just used his jab and power to keep fighters staying away from him at 147.

[joseph5620]

Mosley was 39 years old give me a break.Actually Corrales future can be a very good excuse (it's obvious you never boxed) see Boxing is 50% physical & 50% mental.Quartey didn't look like the same fighter seriously-really?Dela Hoya fought his ass off to win that fight as did Quartey.Again it wasn't a 2 year lay off to be exact it was 18 months & it depends on what you are doing if he trains & spars on his time he isn't actually fighting than it shouldn't be a problem & in fact that was a really good fight & both fighters looked sharp.Are you sure you actually saw that fight.Hatton was a little boy who was out of his league fighting at 147.Quartey moved up to 154 to fight Vargas after Oscar & in that fight he did looked off & not right but the Oscar fight he looked good.

He was 38 so you're already lying.

Unless you can read minds you have no idea what was in Corrales head. If you claim you do you're lying.

Quartey was not in his prime no matter how you want to spin it. Prime means at your best and he wasn't. He looked bad in his previous fight and never looked the same again. End of story.

"Hatton was a little boy" I can't even take you seriously when you say something that ******.


Start using paragraphs like an adult. This is the last time I'm going to read through this crap.

[cyril layman]

I agree though after Hagler shook off that first blow from Hearns that stung him a bit, the fight was over then and there. Once you took power out of the equasion Hearns had holes in his game - mainly his height and offense was his defense. He really neglected defense and just used his jab and power to keep fighters staying away from him at 147.

I think it did more than stung him,it hurt him.Watch the fight in slow motion his legs buckled & instead of fighting he grabbed on to hold Tommy.He did recover very quickly though.Actually Tommy started to get better with defense later in his career by learning to hold.At the end of the day Hearns would have never beat Hagler the second greatest MW all time only behind Robinson.R.I.P Hagler

[cyril layman]

He was 38 so you're already lying.

Unless you can read minds you have no idea what was in Corrales head. If you claim you do you're lying.

Quartey was not in his prime no matter how you want to spin it. Prime means at your best and he wasn't. He looked bad in his previous fight and never looked the same again. End of story.

"Hatton was a little boy" I can't even take you seriously when you say something that ******.


Start using paragraphs like an adult. This is the last time I'm going to read through this crap.

Like wise last time i read your crap too.You know **** about boxing.

[Blond Beast]

Big Trinidad fan because I saw him coming up and he was in exciting fights. He brought the party. A real prize fighter. On the other hand he was trained by his father… and like my brother once said if his plan A didn’t work he could always resort to plan A. Also I think we heard the line “Just keep doing whatever you are doing but better” from his corner.
Hearns hits too hard and Tito too chinny early. He could go down a few times and have too much to make up even if survived.

Tito could hurt Hearns too and try one of his bum rush finishes. Its a matter of how many low blows Tito can land before getting DQ’d and how many massages Hearns gets between rounds.

[Sharpshootah]

Hearns would cream Tito? Surely his movement and boxing skill would get to Tito early, imo. As far as Delahoya goes, we all know he beat Tito too. Delahoya vs Hearns would be a fun one. Delahoya's chin seemed to get better once he moved up