lets clarify the power of the lineal...

[kafkod]

Pep wants to be able to rely on fan consensus for who is and is not champion but refuses consensus for who is and is not authority.

There's a few members here I'd classify as having done a little bit of research, learned the long passed down narratives and A-B Mentalities, and now thinks they knows something. Gnash gnarled teeth while you hold my tea brah. I don't even need narrative for this one
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There was no poll of fans nor the term lineal champion when John L was crowned. Any of the four times he was crowned. Pep is fully aware. Knows it's a post-dated attribution.

Seemingly consensus is what drives everything prior or alternative to bodies and if one can use consensus for attribution the thing being attributed need only make logical sense. Fact is John L never heard the term lineal champion as lineal champion. Fact. But he can be attributed can't he? He is, isn't he? Is it the truth, or a logical fallacy? Well it's both isn't it? It is true John L possesses all the attributes claimed of him. Simply consensus champion and consensus first QB champion.

What backs this consensus without a census?

Nothing but numbers of account picked from sources by historians I've already proven are lazy liars.

What backs the move from LPR to QB as the pro sport? Same.



Cute then, isn't it, this man would challenge the idea the fans would rather bodies, knowing the popularity of the NYSAC and NBA, than illegal ******** den fights.



You can cite consensus for who the champion is, when the title starts, why gloves are used, but don't you dare use the same thing to explain why the bodies matter in historical context Silly.



I shouldn't need anything more than the boom in numbers in the audience everyone here knows about to validate the bodies coming by fan approval not begrudged acceptance but don't worry I am sure there's some ****** reason to not accept this and I'll be piling narrative in chronological order soon enough.

It baffles me how anybody can believe that a major international sport like pro boxing - which is also a multi-billion dollar business - would function better if champions were crowned by "fan consensus", rather than legally regulated sanctioning bodies. Even competitive tiddly winks has governing bodies, for crissake!

[kafkod]

You have no concept of history...Historically the heavyweight was considered the best... Again not in any so called official capacity... In fact the other divisions have a lot more competitive conditions... But it is how fans traditionally viewed the situation which you discount at every turn. In Thailand the heavyweight Thai fighters are considered a mere footnote to the champ who usually weighs in at around 150 give, or take... It is a historical fact... It does not change the title structure and how it is administered by agencies...

I thought you were a lot smarter... wasting my time here. How foolish can you be?

And you have no idea what a lineal boxing champion even is!

Please stop quoting me on this topic, because we are getting nowhere with this.

[billeau2]

And you have no idea what a lineal boxing champion even is!

Please stop quoting me on this topic, because we are getting nowhere with this.

Ohh now it is me not knowing Before it didn't exist... still no argument of any substance. You are making Queenie look like a genius!

[billeau2]

It baffles me how anybody can believe that a major international sport like pro boxing - which is also a multi-billion dollar business - would function better if champions were crowned by "fan consensus", rather than legally regulated sanctioning bodies. Even competitive tiddly winks has governing bodies, for crissake!

Rather? Who ever said "rather?" No one ever excluded regulating agencies... the argument has been that too many such bodies are poison and that the lineal also has a place. I honestly do not think anyone here argued that there should be no regulating bodies...I certainly haven't. Boxing is a hybrid between a sport and a combative. Combatives respect lineages, it is not atypical at all to do so. But your d um b a s s has absolutely no historical understanding whatsoever.

[Willie Pep 229]

It baffles me how anybody can believe that a major international sport like pro boxing - which is also a multi-billion dollar business - would function better if champions were crowned by "fan consensus", rather than legally regulated sanctioning bodies. Even competitive tiddly winks has governing bodies, for crissake!

I'm hearing your arguments.

Re Bold: "legally regulated SBs" --- but let's not get carried away into fantasy.

[JAB5239]

I'm hearing your arguments.

Re Bold: "legally regulated SBs" --- but let's not get carried away into fantasy.