Why JJOHNSON Duck Langford/Jeannette in Paris???

[Ivich]

Four historians are not "most". Johnson is on record drawing the color line as champion, he said so himself, a direct quote from the man. I don't care who agrees or doesn't, Johnson himself said he wasn't fighting them as champion.

Name 2? Tom Donelson, Colleen Ay****, and even Clay Moyle who you love to quote. There are countless others. Langford and Jeanette themselves stood by the claim, they were there.

How would Johnson know the fights could not be made?The promoters didnt?
Are you going to answer this?

[Willie Pep 229]

Let's see --> three different possibilities:

1. Johnson knew the fight would never happen so he signed just to look good.

2. Johnson believed the fight would happen so he signed to make 30K (his price) then the fight was blocked.

3. Johnson didn't know if the fight would be blocked, so he tested the waters by signing and waiting to see if they blocked the fight.

Is there a fourth possibility?

Again, I don't see you guys ever being able to unravel this enigma.

We never can get into the head of any man; Johnson was inconsistent in his statements on a few controversial topics. E.g. Havana, spouse abuse, his color line rhetoric.

[GhostofDempsey]

+1 for you. You must have a 100 by now over Ivich.

It's amazing how some of these clowns praise Jeannette, Langford, McVey out of one side of their mouth, yet call them liars out of the other side of their mouth when they insist Johnson never gave them legit title shots.

[Ivich]

Let's see --> three different possibilities:

1. Johnson knew the fight would never happen so he signed just to look good.

2. Johnson believed the fight would happen so he signed to make 30K (his price) then the fight was blocked.

3. Johnson didn't know if the fight would be blocked, so he tested the waters by signing and waiting to see if they blocked the fight.

Is there a fourth possibility?

Again, I don't see you guys ever being able to unravel this enigma.

We never can get into the head of any man; Johnson was inconsistent in his statements on a few controversial topics. E.g. Havana, spouse abuse, his color line rhetoric.

If the promoters did not know the fights would not happen how did Johnson? Explain this satisfactorily to me and I will vote for option 1.

[travestyny]

It's amazing how some of these clowns praise Jeannette, Langford, McVey out of one side of their mouth, yet call them liars out of the other side of their mouth when they insist Johnson never gave them legit title shots.

Because it's not possible to praise someone's fight skills who is a liar.


You're a fvvcking Trump fan. I suppose you believe he is a beacon of truth.

[Ivich]

It's amazing how some of these clowns praise Jeannette, Langford, McVey out of one side of their mouth, yet call them liars out of the other side of their mouth when they insist Johnson never gave them legit title shots.

Lets explore this.
Langford stated in one interview that he weighed 146lbs when he fought Johnson. He also said he knocked Johnson down, Langford further stated that in their exhibition he knocked Johnson all over the place. That is three false hoods.Langford later said he was sore at Johnson at thee time and that Jack was a great fighter.
.Langford fought Johnson in May 1906 when he said he scaled 146lbs , yet he weighed 155lbs against Young PeterJackson in May1905 a year earlier ?


Jeannette said he weighed165lbs for his 6th fight with Johnson, and that he had beaten him decisively in several of their fights.
All untrue.
I have never read McVey say anything bad about Johnson,nor Johnson about Sam. Langford fought Johnson in1906 when he said he scaled 146lbs , yet he weighed 155lbs against Young PeterJackson in May1905?

Jeannette scaled 185lbs for his 1906 14th of March fight with Johnson,yet according to him, he was only 165lbs for their 26th of November fight the same year ,8 months later ?

Wasn't it you who said in the Johnson v Burns fight,Johnson's seconds crawled under the ring and shouted for the referee to stop the fight?
If it wasn't you it was that other muppet Queensbury Given that Johnson won every round of the Burns fight .
1.What would be the motive for Johnsons corner trying to get the fight stopped?
2,Wouldnt Johnson's seconds disappearing under the ring be noticed?
3.How would the referee hear them from there above all the noise?
4.Why wouldn't they shout for the fight to be stopped in Johnson's favour from where they were?

[GhostofDempsey]

Lets explore this.
Langford stated in one interview that he weighed 146lbs when he fought Johnson. He also said he knocked Johnson down, Langford further stated that in their exhibition he knocked Johnson all over the place. That is three false hoods.Langford later said he was sore at Johnson at thee time and that Jack was a great fighter.
.Langford fought Johnson in May 1906 when he said he scaled 146lbs , yet he weighed 155lbs against Young PeterJackson in May1905 a year earlier ?


Jeannette said he weighed165lbs for his 6th fight with Johnson, and that he had beaten him decisively in several of their fights.
All untrue.
I have never read McVey say anything bad about Johnson,nor Johnson about Sam. Langford fought Johnson in1906 when he said he scaled 146lbs , yet he weighed 155lbs against Young PeterJackson in May1905?

Jeannette scaled 185lbs for his 1906 14th of March fight with Johnson,yet according to him, he was only 165lbs for their 26th of November fight the same year ,8 months later ?

Wasn't it you who said in the Johnson v Burns fight,Johnson's seconds crawled under the ring and shouted for the referee to stop the fight?
If it wasn't you it was that other muppet Queensbury Given that Johnson won every round of the Burns fight .
1.What would be the motive for Johnsons corner trying to get the fight stopped?
2,Wouldnt Johnson's seconds disappearing under the ring be noticed?
3.How would the referee hear them from there above all the noise?
4.Why wouldn't they shout for the fight to be stopped in Johnson's favour from where they were?

Buddy, I'm not reading all of your copy/paste posts from the other forum. They are irrelevant. Langford deserved a title shot with Jack, end of story. All that other he said/she said nonsense is a distraction and deflection. You're getting lost in the weeds with weights, dates, and more static noise to deflect from the topic at hand. Johnson could have and should have given title defenses to Langford, Jeanette, and McVey. He did not. Even for the farcical contracts he allegedly signed, he had many other opportunities to fight them yet didn't. This is a matter of record. The fighters in questions have all accused him of drawing the color line, he himself said he would draw the color line, I've posted his exact quote on here several times. You are chasing your own tail and you look ridiculous.

I do not recall saying Burns seconds crawled under the ring to stop the fight. Show me that post so I can provide context if I did say it.

[travestyny]

Buddy, I'm not reading all of your copy/paste posts from the other forum. They are irrelevant. Langford deserved a title shot with Jack, end of story. All that other he said/she said nonsense is a distraction and deflection. You're getting lost in the weeds with weights, dates, and more static noise to deflect from the topic at hand. Johnson could have and should have given title defenses to Langford, Jeanette, and McVey. He did not. Even for the farcical contracts he allegedly signed, he had many other opportunities to fight them yet didn't. This is a matter of record. The fighters in questions have all accused him of drawing the color line, he himself said he would draw the color line, I've posted his exact quote on here several times. You are chasing your own tail and you look ridiculous.

I do not recall saying Burns seconds crawled under the ring to stop the fight. Show me that post so I can provide context if I did say it.

LMAO. Now you just want to duck his post because it proves what you were just saying is complete shlt


Your usual M.O.



And you are full of shlt about that color line quotation. This was already handled in a thread here.

http://jeetwin188.com/forums/b...n#post31897618



Dude has no shame. Just continues to lie and lie. De****able cretin.

[Willie Pep 229]

If the promoters did not know the fights would not happen how did Johnson? Explain this satisfactorily to me and I will vote for option 1.

Of course I can't.

But we can examine it.

The promoters themseleves could have just been testing the waters to see if the fight floats or sinks. They may not have been sure

If I remember correctly they both set up their forfeit money locally so they would get it back quickly.

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This was the same year that Congress (Southern Yellow Dogs) were calling for a ban on the transportation of fight films across State lines. (Sims Act)

This law was targeted at Johnson directly with one House member, actually speaking on the floor of Congress, bragging how this law would cut off the last of Johnson's revenue streams.

At this time the White newspapers were jeering Johnson because the only venue he could find was the brand new, empty State of New Mexico.

This all takes place between February to July 31, (when the act is finally passed,) 1912.

Passed 30 days after the Johnson-Flynn fight.

The conjecture is that they were bragging on the floor of Congress, that they had blocked JJ out of every State but one. This is around May, 1912.

So the question is, when was the the Johnson-Jeannette deal signed?

What we need is deep research that would find when each of the States announced their doors were closed to mixed fights.

Particular to this issue, is when NY announced they were closed to mixed bouts.

Then maybe we can conclude how knowledgeable the promoters/JJ would have been about the fight's reality at that time.

[travestyny]

Of course I can't.

But we can examine it.

The promoters themseleves could have just been testing the waters to see if the fight floats or sinks. They may not have been sure

If I remember correctly they both set up their forfeit money locally so they would get it back quickly.

‐‐---------------------------------------

This was the same year that Congress (Southern Yellow Dogs) were calling for a ban on the transportation of fight films across State lines. (Sims Act)

This law was targeted at Johnson directly with one House member, actually speaking on the floor of Congress, bragging how this law would cut off the last of Johnson's revenue streams.

At this time the White newspapers were jeering Johnson because the only venue he could find was the brand new, empty State of New Mexico.

This all takes place between February to July 31, (when the act is finally passed,) 1912.

Passed 30 days after the Johnson-Flynn fight.

The conjecture is that they were bragging on the floor of Congress, that they had blocked JJ out of every State but one. This is around May, 1912.

So the question is, when was the the Johnson-Jeannette deal signed?

What we need is deep research that would find when each of the States announced their doors were closed to mixed fights.

Particular to this issue, is when NY announced they were closed to mixed bouts.

Then maybe we can conclude how knowledgeable the promoters/JJ would have been about the fight's reality at that time.

This is a good post. The questions that you are alluding to are exactly the questions that need to be answered. It doesn't seem your hate for Johnson, apparently due to his assaults on women, have made you biased in your inquiry here. I just wish you could always post so reasonably, especially when the topic is one William Harrison.


Anyway, I think it's only slightly more complicated than you have it. The sentiment at the time the fight was to be made was that it wouldn't have any barriers because no barriers were put up when the fight was going to be done by Madison Square Garden. This article helps explain it all pretty well. After there was no objection to Billy Gibson making the fight, of course promoters and fighters believed there was no issue.

Notice especially what it says about the commission. It seems to me they only stepped in when Gibson lost the fight to the McMahons.


The Daily Ardmoreite - July 29, 1912