Comments Thread For: Jose Benavidez Sr. On David Morrell: "I Think He Should Fight a Caleb Plant, Anthony Dirrell"

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I think David M would fight anyone. He's team isn't moving him like they feel he's ready for anyone.

Don't understand? You think his team is afraid of putting him against anyone? Because doesn't get any better than benavidez. And benavidez is not going to bring millions to the table so definitely they're not cashing out.

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Don't understand? You think his team is afraid of putting him against anyone? Because doesn't get any better than benavidez. And benavidez is not going to bring millions to the table

Afraid is stronger wording than I'd suggest. I think they are tentative to move him towards better guys UNLESS its a big money fight like David B or Alvarez. They aren't moving him up so something is up & he's obv got the skills to move up to fight better guys than Sena & Aidos. That to me says his team knows sh^t we don't yet &/or they don't wanna risk a big payday fight by fighting better guys yet. Idk tho just speculating, but he should be fighting more legit guys then he is so there's SOME reason for it.

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Afraid is stronger wording than I'd suggest. I think they are tentative to move him towards better guys UNLESS its a big money fight like David B or Alvarez. They aren't moving him up so something is up & he's obv got the skills to move up to fight better guys than Sena & Aidos. That to me says his team knows sh^t we don't yet &/or they don't wanna risk a big payday fight by fighting better guys yet. Idk tho just speculating, but he should be fighting more legit guys then he is so there's SOME reason for it.

There's no big money fighting benavidez and they very seldom mention canelo. The guy has been matched tougher than anyone nowadays from the beginning. I don't think your reasoning holds any water, and I'm surprised because usually you have good points. The prize is ginger, and he's not waiting around like many others, he is willing to fight the boogeyman for a lot less.

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There's no big money fighting benavidez and they very seldom mention canelo. The guy has been matched tougher than anyone nowadays from the beginning. I don't think your reasoning holds any water, and I'm surprised because usually you have good points. The prize is ginger, and he's not waiting around like many others, he is willing to fight the boogeyman for a lot less.

David B is a PPV guy. There's always money in PPV fights at this level. Definitely would be making 5x-10x more than he's making now I'd assume. I believe he's in the $300k-$400k per fight level now. So getting $3Mish or more for David B is a big payday.

Why isn't his team putting him in with guys above Sena & Aidos then? There's about 25-40 guys between Sena/Aidos level guys he's fighting & David B. If he can't get a legit belt fight, David B or Plant there's guys above Sena & Aidos to fight. Why isn't he fighting them? Idk why unless its by design & David M isn't likely making those calls, its his team making them.

[garfios]

David B is a PPV guy. There's always money in PPV fights at this level. Definitely would be making 5x-10x more than he's making now I'd assume. I believe he's in the $300k-$400k per fight level now. So getting $3Mish or more for David B is a big payday.

Why isn't his team putting him in with guys above Sena & Aidos then? There's about 25-40 guys between Sena/Aidos level guys he's fighting & David B. If he can't get a legit belt fight, David B or Plant there's guys above Sena & Aidos to fight. Why isn't he fighting them? Idk why unless its by design & David M isn't likely making those calls, its his team making them.

Common man, PPV guy? You think he's going to make 3M fighting benavidez? Where, Saudi Arabia? Yeah, you're right his people are afraid because they don't want to blow out the opportunity to make money with benavidez.

[Eff Pandas]

Common man, PPV guy? You think he's going to make 3M fighting benavidez? Where, Saudi Arabia? Yeah, you're right his people are afraid because they don't want to blow out the opportunity to make money with benavidez.

Yea, his last 2 fights have been PPV fights, last one as the A side. Probably more $ if Dubai got involved idk. Definitely getting his biggest payday by a mile even if its lower than I'm suggesting since he's not really a big fight draw level guy yet tho.

I never said they were afraid, you keep trying to suggest I'm saying it. I think they are tentative with throwing him in too deep too soon or else they wouldn't be trying to get big fights off of these low level guys he's fighting. There's a ton of guys he could be fighting above Sena & below Alvarez & David B (the top 2 guys rn), but they aren't for some reason. Again I ask why do you legit think they aren't fighting those few dozen guys they could be fighting if not by design?

Hell even if we go by your beloved WBA rankings why is he fighting the #10 guy over any of the top 9 he could be fighting? The only guy out of play among those top 9 is probably Plant. He could fight or have already fought Bek the Bully. Mbilli. Erik B. Uwel. Pablo.


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[garfios]

Yea, his last 2 fights have been PPV fights, last one as the A side. Probably more $ if Dubai got involved idk. Definitely getting his biggest payday by a mile even if its lower than I'm suggesting since he's not really a big fight draw level guy yet tho.

I never said they were afraid, you keep trying to suggest I'm saying it. I think they are tentative with throwing him in too deep too soon or else they wouldn't be trying to get big fights off of these low level guys he's fighting. There's a ton of guys he could be fighting above Sena & below Alvarez & David B (the top 2 guys rn), but they aren't for some reason. Again I ask why do you legit think they aren't fighting those few dozen guys they could be fighting if not by design?

Hell even if we go by your beloved WBA rankings why is he fighting the #10 guy over any of the top 9 he could be fighting? The only guy out of play among those top 9 is probably Plant. He could fight or have already fought Bek the Bully. Mbilli. Erik B. Uwel. Pablo.


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What give you the hint that they're tentative? Second fight against a 22-0 boxer, they didn't kniw how he was going to react in his first 12th round and 2nd fight is that decision look tentative to you? Do you really think that they're looking for money instead of recognition facing benavidez? I think they're so confident in this kid that they are trying to make him a crossover star. I read that DeCubas received a tape when the kid was 17yo fighting the two times Olympic Gold champ, one of his two loses and he should have won. Like I said before I don't care much for rankings, you brought it up. Time will tell, imo a guy chasing the second ranked and boogeyman is not looking for money.

[Eff Pandas]

What give you the hint that they're tentative? Second fight against a 22-0 boxer, they didn't kniw how he was going to react in his first 12th round and 2nd fight is that decision look tentative to you? Do you really think that they're looking for money instead of recognition facing benavidez? I think they're so confident in this kid that they are trying to make him a crossover star. I read that DeCubas received a tape when the kid was 17yo fighting the two times Olympic Gold champ, one of his two loses and he should have won. Like I said before I don't care much for rankings, you brought it up. Time will tell, imo a guy chasing the second ranked and boogeyman is not looking for money.

Why are you avoiding my question? IF his team is THAT confident why are they fighting Sena & Aidos level guys still???

They've been fighting these same type of guys for 2yrs, Fox, Kalvin, Aidos, Falcao & Sena are all guys in that #30-#50 on boxrec type guys. They are like low to mid level prospects or guys who failed to beat other prospects or guys at the next level up. They fast tracked him to those guys, which I've given them & David M credit & respect for, but the fact they bumped him faster in his first 5 fights then his last 5 fights is saying something. Its only a matter of what its saying. And to me the fact they are lingering with these guys he's proven himself far better than for so long after moving him fast previously suggests to me they are apprehensive about those next level guys & want him to have more exp vs these guys he keeps fighting.

And honestly I don't think its necessarily wrong or bad, but I do, as I've said numerous times already, think he should be fighting those next level guys before he's moved to the best guys in the division. If Alvarez or David B is his first top ten opp his team is doing him no favors at giving him the best path to success. And when guys move like that it tends to be a cashout situation more often then not. I'm not pretending to know whats going on behind the scenes or anything like that, but I know something is going on behind the scenes cuz of how they are moving him vs how they are talking. Hell maybe David M is some Ike Ibeabuchi kinda dude who's doing wild sh^t & is ripe to go off the rails at any moment so thats why he's still fighting these lower level guys in low risk situations while they are calling for big fights. Who knows as I keep saying, but you don't prove you are ready for Alvarez or David B level guys while fighting the Sena level guys who've never been close to the top.

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Why are you avoiding my question? IF his team is THAT confident why are they fighting Sena & Aidos level guys still???

They've been fighting these same type of guys for 2yrs, Fox, Kalvin, Aidos, Falcao & Sena are all guys in that #30-#50 on boxrec type guys. They are like low to mid level prospects or guys who failed to beat other prospects or guys at the next level up. They fast tracked him to those guys, which I've given them & David M credit & respect for, but the fact they bumped him faster in his first 5 fights then his last 5 fights is saying something. Its only a matter of what its saying. And to me the fact they are lingering with these guys he's proven himself far better than for so long after moving him fast previously suggests to me they are apprehensive about those next level guys & want him to have more exp vs these guys he keeps fighting.

And honestly I don't think its necessarily wrong or bad, but I do, as I've said numerous times already, think he should be fighting those next level guys before he's moved to the best guys in the division. If Alvarez or David B is his first top ten opp his team is doing him no favors at giving him the best path to success. And when guys move like that it tends to be a cashout situation more often then not. I'm not pretending to know whats going on behind the scenes or anything like that, but I know something is going on behind the scenes cuz of how they are moving him vs how they are talking. Hell maybe David M is some Ike Ibeabuchi kinda dude who's doing wild sh^t & is ripe to go off the rails at any moment so thats why he's still fighting these lower level guys in low risk situations while they are calling for big fights. Who knows as I keep saying, but you don't prove you are ready for Alvarez or David B level guys while fighting the Sena level guys who've never been close to the top.

At the time he fought Aidos, he was 7-0 and his opponent 16-0 fresh of a ko win against Allen, the same guy Morrell Jr went 12 rounds, a lot of fans thought the Kazakhstan had a good chance of besting and he was there to win, a yes he tried to win and he didn't give up, out of his 16 wins 13 were against guys with winning records and a least one undefeated with 19-0, so if you see something wrong with that, I don't see it. And agbeko was supposed to fight him a few months back and wasn't cleared to do it, he kept calling him out and he got his wish. To answer your question, as I said I don't see anything wrong with choosing Aidos, they were both on the same path, just because he beat him convincingly doesn't mean that he was a pushover. And agbeko, he was the one that signed the contract, he could've been fighting benavidez but he choose an old out of his weight with a name, andrade. So who's fault is that? Why we don't ask who wants to fight him instead of choosing names that won't fight him? He already mentioned plant, have you heard anything from caleb?

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At the time he fought Aidos, he was 7-0 and his opponent 16-0 fresh of a ko win against Allen, the same guy Morrell Jr went 12 rounds, a lot of fans thought the Kazakhstan had a good chance of besting and he was there to win, a yes he tried to win and he didn't give up, out of his 16 wins 13 were against guys with winning records and a least one undefeated with 19-0, so if you see something wrong with that, I don't see it. And agbeko was supposed to fight him a few months back and wasn't cleared to do it, he kept calling him out and he got his wish. To answer your question, as I said I don't see anything wrong with choosing Aidos, they were both on the same path, just because he beat him convincingly doesn't mean that he was a pushover. And agbeko, he was the one that signed the contract, he could've been fighting benavidez but he choose an old out of his weight with a name, andrade. So who's fault is that? Why we don't ask who wants to fight him instead of choosing names that won't fight him? He already mentioned plant, have you heard anything from caleb?

Why are you avoiding the question so hard??? If David B is trying to fight top guys with names on PPV instead of a promising guy without a name who's fighting in small venues in MN, like David M will be doing in a few yrs if he pans out, why is the default a guy as low level as Sena??? Same thing with other name guys like Plant or Alvarez. Or hell even Andrade gots more of a name then David M. You don't think Osley Iglesias would fight him? Osley is a bad mfer from cuba who's been fast tracked too. You don't think there are others trying to get to the top with potential who'd fight him? You think everyone but Sena is avoiding him??? Bruh cmon. David M is in better position to get good opp then 99% of the boxing world as a guy with a power broker with a TV deal. Even my dude Boots, who is being avoided by the big name guys right now cuz he's not built a name not unlike David M, is fighting higher level guys then David M is fighting. They obviously have been stagnant moving him up for a reason besides everyone but Sena is pissing themselves at fighting him or w/e you are suggesting.