Could Usyk have beaten Prime Nandrolone Fury from 10 years ago?

[TheProudLunatic]

You're not especially knowledgeable about heavyweight boxing, but your spirit is strong.

Don't leave me hanging
Tell me where I'm wrong, w/o using opinions.

[deathofaclown]

In this instance, skill > size
And make no mistake about it
Fury had his size and the lamest HW era of the sport to thank for his success.

Shrink him down to 6'4" and he's a bouncer in some run down hole in the wall.

Nonsense

Then why weren't the likes of Helenius, Ustinov, Price etc..all on Fury's level? They're all as big

[TheProudLunatic]

Nonsense

Then why weren't the likes of Helenius, Ustinov, Price etc..all on Fury's level? They're all as big

Less "talented"
Like I said, the worst HW era in the history of the sport.

[NihonJim]

Usyk doesn't even beat Fury of 3 or 4 years ago

Usyk might be older but Fury is older in athletic terms, especially living how he does/did. Usyk simply had a lot more left at the back end of fights. The middle rounds where Fury dominated him, a few years ago the full fight would've looked similar. Usyk couldn't live with him in those rounds but Fury no longer has the legs and overall condition to sustain it. He's hammered his body over the years.

Yeah pretty much what I saw, when fury had the energy to fight at a pace he was nullifying Usyk and making him look like dillian whyte

But he's physically shot to bits and only had 4-5 good rounds in him at this stage

[dan_cov]

I think Fury would do even worse just because of a lack of experience especially against southpaws which he's never been great at fighting

[rukor]

They didn’t fight so we don’t know. Fine to guess but means nothing

[JakeTheBoxer]

Who cares. Fury wouldn`t have beaten Klitschko either if the fight had happened 2 years earlier.

Stop with excuses. Fury is younger than Usyk.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Oleksandr Uysk has neither beaten a peak Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua 'But he has still beaten very good versions of those fighters, and those wins are still pound for pound the two best victories in boxing of the past 15 years. Tyson Fury was clearly in his best condition in many years against Oleksandr Uysk I & II, and Anthony Joshua was technically and fundamentally as a fighter at his best vs Uysk I & II, but maybe in other areas of his game he was nowhere near his peak i.e. Such as his aggression, and offensive capabilities'.

I have stated many times before, that Oleksandr Uysk entered the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time 'In combination Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder had already effectively cleared out the entire Heavyweight Division. And there could be a definitive debate that all three Heavyweight Mountains were not at their peak. Fury, Wilder and Joshua had all at that stage of their careers, fought and won their definitive battles. Fights, victories, loses and comebacks had all transpired that would define their resumes and historical significance as fighters. All three Heavyweight Mountains were future hall of fame fighters candidates, as they had without any doubt solidified themselves as the premier champions of their boxing era'.

Note: If Oleksandr Uysk had entered the Heavyweight Divisions just a few years earlier 'I think the concern and debate on whether he would have beaten a peak Tyson Fury, is just one of the challenges he would have to overcome. Uysk at that stage in boxing history, would have to fight his way through more heavyweight fighters. He would potentially be encountering a superior version of Derek Chisora, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder before eventually fighting Tyson Fury. The reason why I have mentioned Fury last out of those opponents is because? Fury has only ever taken big fights, when he has really has to. Hypothetically I would imagine, Fury would down play Usyk as a challenger and let other premier Heavyweight Champions make their title defenses vs Oleksandr Uysk. That is what actually happened in recent times, and I believe even at his peak Fury would behave the same way as a Champion'.

To conclude: I am not going to disrespect or devalue Oleksandr Uysk 'And automatically just suggest that Tyson Fury would have beaten him over decade ago. But I think it is commonsense that the fight between the two fights would be even closer. I think all three Heavyweight Mountains would be a formidable task for Oleksandr Uysk, stylistically? When I analyse Fury, Joshua and Wilder at their best. I actually think both Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder are more difficult fights to prepare for and win for Oleksandr Uysk, than the fight against Tyson Fury'.

Anthony Joshua has a combination of power and elite level skill, and Deontay Wilder is going to be very aware that the only way he beats Oleksandr Uysk is by a violent destruction. Both of those fights involve a extreme level of jeopardy for Uysk, many times more higher than a potential fight vs the version of Tyson Fury which I call The Riddler'.

Overall Oleksandr Uysk was fortunate to enter the Heavyweight Divisions when he did 'The path was completely clear for him to go straight towards fighting both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. His 4 wins vs both Fury and Joshua are the greatest pound for pound wins of the past 15 years. But I think most boxing analyst are very aware that neither Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua were at their absolute peak as fighters'.

Note: I did not vote on the poll etc.

[Willow The Wisp]

Don't leave me hanging
Tell me where I'm wrong, w/o using opinions.

Without using opionions. Lol.

Of course! And while I'm at it, I apologize for my flippant and insulting remark shot out before we had some dialog. I've been involved in boxing, on some level, since the early 1970's. I do not recall any time when fans didn't say "this Heavyweight division is the worst in history". Never.
I remember clearly, in 1975, fans committed to the idea. "Heavyweights suck. Ali is so overrated. No power, never goes to the body, Jones, Frazier and Norton, who all suck, beat Ali. Norton has no skills and a glass jaw. Frazier is too short and washed up. Forman has zero stamina and zero boxing skill, and the same goes for Lyle. Jimmy Young is lazy, Shavers has a glass jaw AND no stamina, Quarry is a washed up bleeder. Bugner has no urgency when he fights, and Bobick, Wepner, Neumann, Middletown, Holmes, Smith, Dennis, Boudreaux and Ward, will NEVER be world class".

That's the truth. It was a case of not knowing what you've got until its gone, and being critical because it's fun, I suppose.

I take people's questions seriously, so let me present this for you:

World Boxing Rankings - Today
HEAVYWEIGHT

World Champion -
Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-0-0 (14)

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)*
2. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
3. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
4. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
5. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
6. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
7. Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
8. Moses Itauma, England 12-0-0 (10)
9. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
10. Fabio Wardley, England 18-0-1 (17)

Vs........

World Boxing Rankings - 21 Years Ago
HEAVYWEIGHT

World Champion -
Vacant since February 2004

1. Vitali Klitschko, Ukraine 34-2-0 (34)
2. Chris Byrd, USA 37-2-1 (20)
3. John Ruiz, USA 40-5-1 (28)
4. Hassim Rahman, USA 37-5-0 (31)
5. James Toney, USA 67-4-1 (43)
6. Monte Barrett, USA 30-3-0 (16)
7. Andrew Golota, Poland 38-4-1 (33)
8. Fres Oquendo, USA 24-3-0 (15)
9. Jameel McCline, USA 31-5-3 (19)
10. Corrie Sanders, S. Africa 40-3-0 (30)


Personally, in head to head matchups, I see today's roster as significantly superior, and not by a little.

Now that might be an opinion, but is one that is used by a great many in this industry.

[TMLT87]

Yes, but it probably would have been a tougher fight. Fury was a lot lighter on his feet in those days.

Then again, Usyk was in his prime 10 years ago too.