Could Usyk have beaten Prime Nandrolone Fury from 10 years ago?

[Toffee]

People used to claim that Fury moved like a middleweight. Until a heavyweight (ironically mocked and called 'middleweight') showed him up.

It isn't the case that he used to move like a middleweight and now doesn't. He never did. He was big and clumsy and his footwork often put him in trouble.

Against your average heavyweight he could simply 'outbig' them. But against a genuinely good boxer he got well and truly beaten. And I don't buy the closeness argument - they were very clear wins for Usyk. Fury landed a couple of decent shots across a couple of rounds in the first fight. He was competitive for the rest, but never better. The scoring in the rematch was a joke.

So no, prime Fury wouldn't beat Usyk. He could never live with Usyk's footwork, feints and technique. He was never fast enough to really catch him.

Oh yeah, and he's got no idea how to defend against the left hand. Even a non boxer peppered him with it.

[keith_head]

Prime Usyk is the Usyk who narrowly beat Mairis Briedis in a criminally underrated fight that should go down with Bivol-Beterbiev as one of the highest level fights of the modern era.
That fight is 8 years ago. Usyk has been declining since then and still schooled Fury twice, despite being clearly in physical decline.

Fury has built an entire career of only fighting people that he has a speed and coordination advantage over. He never wanted to fight Usyk, but the Saudis made him an offer he couldn't refuse. He has never fought the more mobile and coordinated top heavyweights of the division - e.g. guys like Parker, Michael Hunter, Agit Kabayel, Hrgovic etc. because he knows that those guys would give him his toughest fights. Instead he dines out 3 x each with Dereck Chisora and Deontay Wilder.

He would never beat any version of Usyk.

[Nash out]

There are 3 fighters in history that are unbeatable. Tyson Fury 2.0 (the version that beat Wlad) Tokyo Douglas, and Charlie Zelenoff. If these 3 fighters fought amongst each other 1000 times, it would always end in a draw. None of these men can ever lose. Don't be fooled by Charlie Zelenoff's 0-1 record on Boxrec. As Charlie stated, he won that fight by DQ, and Nash has seen the footage. The schooling he gave OG Mayweather and his knockout of Wilder (Charlie has shown the footage) were wins to remember, as well as Deric the Giant, Navy Seals, Marines, Pizza Delivery men, Zelenoff, Kim Kardashian's very real ex, has beat them all. Nash out - His Majesty

[Haka]

Yes easily you cannot win a chess boxing match with Usyk when you have an IQ deficit of atleast 30 points. Fact of the matter is Usyk was playing with Fury in both fights.

[Willow The Wisp]

So here's a boatload of unsolicited options. The body of work at heavyweight for Usyk was highly successful. Few of the "boxing experts" here would disagree and indeed, it's an understatement.

But to be unemotional when taking the deeper dive, the truth becomes apparent that Usyk's entire heavyweight career consists of exactly seven fights; six in which he is seen struggling. In Derrick Chisora he was faced with an aging (though viable) perennial contender who had dropped a quarter of his pervious fights; and that was a clearly won, but a 2 point decision for the Cruiserweight champion.

The two decisions over Joshua were likewise clear victories, but were gained over a fellow who was taken out cleanly and quickly by two of the four best opponents he has ever faced, and was done so while still in his prime, and nearly taken out by a 3rd of the four. While great credit is due for Usyk in this nonetheless; Joshua will be remembered as a very good heavyweight who held a variety of false belts, drew large crowds, received no shots at the world championship, and fell quite short of the sky-high expectations once placed upon him.

The two decisions over champion Tyson Fury were even closer, though good decisions and far more important historically, as the world's championship was being contested. But, although most fans are better attuned to their personal perceptions than to facts, the truth is that Fury and his co-author Deontay Wilder traded a career's worth of hard, concussive knockdowns; which effectively ruined them both. It would be a rookie fan's mistake to beleive that either man emerged from their trilogy in the same condition they went into it in.

If I were to guess that the Fury who Wilder engaged was twice the man that Usyk lifted the title from, I'd probably be correct. At least, I'd be employing centuries of boxing standard.

Usyk's odd battle with Dubois is polarizing. Some witnessed Usyk felled by a borderline shot and passively surrender his crown. Others saw Usyk come back from a foul blow and win conclusively.
Either way, there is unfinished business to settle there; and we have our attentions fixed on the date.


Now keep in mind that you can do a 'glass half empty' analysis of any fighter, ever; but the takeaway from this one is that there are significant conditions to assigning a cloak of invincibility to Usyk in the Heavyweight Division.

The Pre Wilder Tyson Fury gets the job done, absolutely by stoppage, against any version of Usyk.

In addition, he stops Anthony Joshua, the divisional outlier who never engaged his fellow title holders to contest for supremacy, as well.

And since I'm on a roll; pre-Wilder Fury would have very little trouble defeating any version of either Klitschko brother; the wooden one who's a bit tougher, or the vastly more accomplished one who's somewhat fragile.

[QueensburyRules]

So here's a boatload of unsolicited options. The body of work at heavyweight for Usyk was highly successful. Few of the "boxing experts" here would disagree and indeed, it's an understatement.

But to be unemotional when taking the deeper dive, the truth becomes apparent that Usyk's entire heavyweight career consists of exactly seven fights; six in which he is seen struggling. In Derrick Chisora he was faced with an aging (though viable) perennial contender who had dropped a quarter of his pervious fights; and that was a clearly won, but a 2 point decision for the Cruiserweight champion.

The two decisions over Joshua were likewise clear victories, but were gained over a fellow who was taken out cleanly and quickly by two of the four best opponents he has ever faced, and was done so while still in his prime, and nearly taken out by a 3rd of the four. While great credit is due for Usyk in this nonetheless; Joshua will be remembered as a very good heavyweight who held a variety of false belts, drew large crowds, received no shots at the world championship, and fell quite short of the sky-high expectations once placed upon him.

The two decisions over champion Tyson Fury were even closer, though good decisions and far more important historically, as the world's championship was being contested. But, although most fans are better attuned to their personal perceptions than to facts, the truth is that Fury and his co-author Deontay Wilder traded a career's worth of hard, concussive knockdowns; which effectively ruined them both. It would be a rookie fan's mistake to beleive that either man emerged from their trilogy in the same condition they went into it in.

If I were to guess that the Fury who Wilder engaged was twice the man that Usyk lifted the title from, I'd probably be correct. At least, I'd be employing centuries of boxing standard.

Usyk's odd battle with Dubois is polarizing. Some witnessed Usyk felled by a borderline shot and passively surrender his crown. Others saw Usyk come back from a foul blow and win conclusively.
Either way, there is unfinished business to settle there; and we have our attentions fixed on the date.


Now keep in mind that you can do a 'glass half empty' analysis of any fighter, ever; but the takeaway from this one is that there are significant conditions to assigning a cloak of invincibility to Usyk in the Heavyweight Division.

The Pre Wilder Tyson Fury gets the job done, absolutely by stoppage, against any version of Usyk.

In addition, he stops Anthony Joshua, the divisional outlier who never engaged his fellow title holders to contest for supremacy, as well.

And since I'm on a roll; pre-Wilder Fury would have very little trouble defeating any version of either Klitschko brother; the wooden one who's a bit tougher, or the vastly more accomplished one who's somewhat fragile.

- - AJ unified the Belts that Blubber shyte on and gave the great champ Wlad a shot at them, the same great champ that Blubber ducked so he could go on his 3 year heavily recorded Bender of Pies, Drink, and Drugs.

Then he fled the UK so his miserably attended boxing shows that couldn't draw flies so he could fight the most miserable Heavy Belt holder in the world, Deyonce.

Moreover, AJ never got beat up by Usyk like Blubber did. I could go on, but clearly Blubber's Blubber turned rancid a long time ago...RIP...We the People say Good Riddance to Rancid Rubbish...yeah!!!

[The D3vil]

He barely beat the Fury that almost lost to Francis Ngannou, who'd never had a boxing match before & got blasted out by Joshua.

Fury from 5 years ago versus Wilder beats Usyk in a UD

[Smash]

He barely beat the Fury that almost lost to Francis Ngannou, who'd never had a boxing match before & got blasted out by Joshua.

Fury from 5 years ago versus Wilder beats Usyk in a UD

"So you could probably let Usyk punch you all about the head and he'll give you a black eye. If you let Ngannou punch you all about the head, he's probably going to rattle your brain for you."

fury quote, he was afraid of ngannou and just tried to jab him to the win

but yeah fury probably was better years ago possibly alrite

[Willow The Wisp]

It's never over until it's over.

In the somewhat unlikely event that Dubois achieves a win over Usyk on July 19, and the fan's finicky narrative regarding the Ukrainian instantly becomes about "a 23-1 (14) brief term champ who's wins at heavyweight were achieved strictly against badly faded former stars"; the final rankings of the 2015 - 2025 era will be shaken up, and will settle right around this:

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
2. Deontay Wilder, USA 44-4-1 (43)
3. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
4. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-1-0 (14)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
12.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15)
13. Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
14.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
15.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23)

The list may or may not align to posting fans and their emotions; but it IS how the era's history is going to be recorded for future generations.

[QueensburyRules]

It's never over until it's over.

In the somewhat unlikely event that Dubois achieves a win over Usyk on July 19, and the fan's finicky narrative regarding the Ukrainian instantly becomes about "a 23-1 (14) brief term champ who's wins at heavyweight were achieved strictly against badly faded former stars"; the final rankings of the 2015 - 2025 era will be shaken up, and will settle right around this:

1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
2. Deontay Wilder, USA 44-4-1 (43)
3. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
4. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-1-0 (14)
5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
12.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15)
13. Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
14.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
15.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23)

The list may or may not align to posting fans and their emotions; but it IS how the era's history is going to be recorded for future generations.

- - Blubber Snickers Lineal ducking gasssses almost ready to float away into the stratosphere...adios forever...