Dazn, ESPN+, Showtime, etc

[maguirre]

This DIVIDE in boxing is also why that sport has fallen behind sports like Hockey, Tennis and even Women Softball Playoffs which does better ratings than most Boxing Events on TV

Can't blame constant mismatches to fans dude. That's just silly. You can probably blame the media, or people with basic cam and pretend they're part of it, for not asking the right questions and tolerate fighters for avoiding fights, for instance.

[sicko]

Can't blame constant mismatches to fans dude. That's just silly. You can probably blame the media, or people with basic cam and pretend they're part of it, for not asking the right questions and tolerate fighters for avoiding fights, for instance.

Actually you can, because what is happening with this Divide (and I see it often on this forum) is that the people who have picked a side will give the side that they're on a Pass for Mismatches while they go the extra mile to Criticize and bash the others. People will post bad ratings and bad news about the others but not the bad news about the one they're a fan of

Why would DAZN or PBC or Top Rank feel the Pressure to provide the fans with Better Match Ups when they have Groupie Fans and Groupie Writers/Reports who defend their mismatches while bashing the others

Not just talking about Divide among fans either, I'm talking about the Divide among Promoters, Networks, Managers/Advisers as well as FANS

[saintpat]

Lol. Again stoppped reading here. What does an offer for Wilder in the amount of $100 million that includes AJ for Undisputed have to do with Fury in ESPN+ or subscriptions?

What kind of a premise is that? Wilder is clearly brainwashed by Haymon to have not accepted the DAZN offer. Didn’t Wilder insinuate he was going to take a temp leave when news came out for DAZNs offer? Then Showtime gave Wilder options to stop the temptation because Wilder isn’t signed? Then Espinoza gave a speech about “loyalty?”

Lol. I mean...

Maybe you should continue reading instead of “I stopped reading here.”

I’ll try to simplify:

1) You basically said Dazn fighters wouldn’t fight on other platforms because they have big-money exclusive deals with the platform.

2) I said, “Well Fury has a big-money exclusive deal with ESPN+ and yet they are allowing him to work out a PPV deal with Wilder that is not exclusive to their platform.”

We call that an example. Dazn could do the same thing and share in the profit just as ESPN+ does with Fury-Wilder.

I get it. You’re in love with Dazn/Eddie. You think everyone should crawl on their knees to be part of it.

Until Dazn is willing to play ball and work with other platforms, as PBC has done and ESPN+ is doing, then we’re not going to get the top fights.

But if you’d rather watch GGG-Rolls II-level crap with Dazn A-side vs. guy off the street, be my guest.

[saintpat]

Stopped reading here. If DAZN gives you a premium salary for a certain amount of fights, let’s say 3...umm... isn’t it common sense you will ONLY fight on their platform?

If Floyd agreed with Showtime for 6 fights... one would assume he was only fighting there..

Are you mistaken with Top Rank type of contracts? Was Wilder going to retire after fulfilling his 3 fight deal with DAZN?

And yet Floyd did make a deal for the Pac fight where Showtime and HBO shared platforms and profit and both benefitted.

So yes they allowed him to fight in a bout that was not exclusive to Showtime.

Dazn isn’t willing to do the same.

[Manboyeatme]

Imagine the sport as it is now, with all the cherrypicking and that, imagine how bad it would become if there was only one app or channel ruling all fights, we would be doomed.

You're wrong about that. They cherry pick because of all the different outlets.

The UFC is a good example that it's much better to have all the best under one banner.

[Thuglife Nelo]

And yet Floyd did make a deal for the Pac fight where Showtime and HBO shared platforms and profit and both benefitted.

So yes they allowed him to fight in a bout that was not exclusive to Showtime.

Dazn isn’t willing to do the same.

Comparing Wilder vs Joshua to Pac vs Mayweather is r3tarded. First of all, May and Pac were PPV stars. Let me repeat, “PPV stars.”

Mayweather made about $200 milllion for his Showtime 6 fight deal, DAZN offered Wilder half of that for 3 fights which included Joshua.

Know how to use the facts. As if DAZN and Showtime would “share” when DAZN isn’t PPV.

[saintpat]

Comparing Wilder vs Joshua to Pac vs Mayweather is r3tarded. First of all, May and Pac were PPV stars. Let me repeat, “PPV stars.”

Mayweather made about $200 milllion for his Showtime 6 fight deal, DAZN offered Wilder half of that for 3 fights which included Joshua.

Know how to use the facts. As if DAZN and Showtime would “share” when DAZN isn’t PPV.

And Wilder’s side offered AJ $50M for one fight. So what’s your point?

Dazn isn’t PPV but there’s no law saying it can’t be. Showtime is a subscription TV service but it decided to do PPVs. Dazn could do the same.

No, it wasn’t as big as May-Pac but it’s bigger than any other fight that could have been made — huge potential revenue on PPV in the USA and UK — at the time when AJ held belts and it would have unified the heavyweight title.

There’s nothing stopping them from doing a PPV with Showtime (or Fox or whoever) and sharing the profits. They can do it under the Dazn banner ... no way AJ’s contract says his fights have to be ******ed in the USA, only that Dazn has the USA rights for them. They can use those rights to carry the fights however they want.

Likewise, they could have done a one-off where Wilder wouldn’t have been bound to Dazn if he won — they could have negotiated for any future defenses if he did ... or the rematch would have been on Wilder’s terms. They only offered a deal which would bind Wilder to Dazn.

But they didn’t do any of those things, did they?

The problem, the holdup, in every fight scenario involving a Dazn fighter is that Dazn won’t work with others to allow their talent to appear on other platforms. ESPN+ is doing it, Showtime is doing it, PBC fighters are doing it ... only Dazn is keeping these things from happening.

And, apparently, within their own stable they aren’t having a lot of luck making the one big fight they could make without using outside talent: Canelo-GGG III.

So I’ll save my money until they start offering real value for it.

[Thuglife Nelo]

And Wilder’s side offered AJ $50M for one fight. So what’s your point?

Dazn isn’t PPV but there’s no law saying it can’t be. Showtime is a subscription TV service but it decided to do PPVs. Dazn could do the same.

No, it wasn’t as big as May-Pac but it’s bigger than any other fight that could have been made — huge potential revenue on PPV in the USA and UK — at the time when AJ held belts and it would have unified the heavyweight title.

There’s nothing stopping them from doing a PPV with Showtime (or Fox or whoever) and sharing the profits. They can do it under the Dazn banner ... no way AJ’s contract says his fights have to be ******ed in the USA, only that Dazn has the USA rights for them. They can use those rights to carry the fights however they want.

Likewise, they could have done a one-off where Wilder wouldn’t have been bound to Dazn if he won — they could have negotiated for any future defenses if he did ... or the rematch would have been on Wilder’s terms. They only offered a deal which would bind Wilder to Dazn.

But they didn’t do any of those things, did they?

The problem, the holdup, in every fight scenario involving a Dazn fighter is that Dazn won’t work with others to allow their talent to appear on other platforms. ESPN+ is doing it, Showtime is doing it, PBC fighters are doing it ... only Dazn is keeping these things from happening.

And, apparently, within their own stable they aren’t having a lot of luck making the one big fight they could make without using outside talent: Canelo-GGG III.

So I’ll save my money until they start offering real value for it.

Lol. You are all over the place with this fumbled theory. I suppose because Spence and Crawford hasn’t happened is because DAZN is having problems with GGG vs Canelo III? “Offering real value..”