Why do internet Americans hate Anthony Joshua so much?

[Scopedog]

Ah yes, one of the big racial and cultural groups in the US

You have your African-Americans, your Italian-Americans, and now your Internet-Americans

[Tyistall]

That stiff ass coward lost because he can't fight and after Ruiz ends his career...we won't have to see **** blowing posts from you Robbie and **** anymore. The world is tired of him. Joshua is a ****en bum, and bums don't survive in boxing long...

If AJ is a bum, then Fury and Wilder are less than bums hahah. They are both cowards, loudmouths and they have idiotic fans like yourself who are just as bad as Trump fans with their ******ity. The world is tired of Wilder and his excuses as to why he won't fight AJ, Whyte or anybody else good. Same with Fury who has reclassified himself now as a complete clown who fights tomato cans while talking *****. Hate AJ all you want, but when he wins the rematch, I don't want to hear any backtracking. Keep that same energy, a$$clown

[billeau2]

Parker looked his best last fight some guys just get up for a fight and they wont get knocked down so easily if at all, could have to do with not throwing punches back but ? lol Its a domestic NZ fighter rival in ways in Leapai but those are the type of fights he needs ,ppl just don't get it.

Whyte should be about 245 but ? I always rescore fights at times counting every punch and then rescore it again with opposing fighter and then again a 3rd time and im usually 95 % coincide with the scoring.( only include jabs if power ones land or its really a deciding factor ) and find he does better then I thought and his fights just look closer watching them live.

This is probably the wrong forum for interested fans in looking new guys they go with good looking or top guys and jump ship,DDD became a bum before Gorman fight going 10 rounds with Johnson, Parkers a bum he struggled in some, AJ is a bum, Joe Joyce is a bum he went 10 rnds in his 10th fight ,Furys a bum bc hes fighting an actual tough Wallin, etc...etc...lol


These are some under the radar guys to watch for . Vlad Sirenko, Sonny Conto , and Oleksandr Zakhozhyi .

Judging, at its best...when live is unable to catch subtlety. I will look on Youtube which usually has fights from guys who are not known yet but coming up.

[billeau2]

Fury does have an advantage when it comes to muscle memory and being in the sport far longer. However, that doesn't negate the fact that you need power in the heavyweight division to thrive.

Style makes fight and Fury does have problems with fighter who can brawl and also box with decent fundamentals. And he's also susceptible to hooks when he's fighting on the front foot. Fury won't have that much success going 12 rds on the back foot against AJ because AJ is athletic. Unlike Wilder who likes to swing windmill - AJ has a repertoire of high percentage shot selection and he's very accurate since he's an Olympian. Also unlike Wlad who was so used to his jab jab grab technique and thought he would easily beat Fury with that but only for Fury to out jab him. AJ's going to be more aggressive and Fury would've to come forward and fight. AJ is also at his best when he's fighting guys his size or taller.


After watching how disciplined Dillian Whyte was in his last fight and how he was able to fight behind is jab for 12 rds and mix it up when he needed to - I'm more convinced now that he'll beat both Fury and Wilder. Dillian is underrated as a boxer. I'm also guilty of that. And both AJ and Dillian destroyed Fury in sparring.

Wilder is a one-trick pony and he's also very predictable. The Breazeale sham that everyone's gassed about didn't change my opinion of AJ. The fight was a WWE sham than anything. Also, with Wilder, once he sets his feet and paws with his left - you know he's going to telegraph his right. And when he misses, he's going to keep swinging. That's Wilder in a nutshell.

Now let me use two fights to tell you why both Dillian and AJ beat Wilder easily.

1). Dillian Whyte vs Rivas: when you watch that fight again, you'd see that Rivas' money shot is his overhand right. He also doesn't telegraph it like Wilder does but it's very predictable. But Dillian Whyte was able to avoid it for 12 rds. And that's the same way he's going to avoid Wilder's one-trick for 12 rds. But once he catches Wilder with that left hook which Wilder is very susceptible to and gets caught with in every fight - it's night, night.

2). Wladmir Klitschko vs AJ: Wlad's money shot is his hook shot albeit he has that powerful hammer right. And he throws his hooks from angles. However, in his fight with AJ - AJ was able to avoid it all night but was getting caught with Wlad's hammer right. The game plan was to avoid the hooks and he excelled with that. The game plan against Wilder would be to avoid Wilder's right and keep the fight at short/mid-range. AJ is by far the best boxer on the inside amongst the giant heavyweights out there - he might be the fastest when it comes to 1-2 combos (AJ is a 1-2 boxer, unlike Ruiz who's very fast with flurries). I'm sure you saw the lightening speed with the uppercut and left hook combo that dropped Ruiz in the 3rd rd. So he needs to do is keep the fight short with Wilder and he'll knock Wilder out cold.

I don't agree about needing "power" in the heavyweight division and Ill tell ya why. I will actually quote the Gypsy King on this one lol. A big man has a certain amount of power from the start. While it is true that most of the pure punchers are not the biggest guys, if we look at Fury for example, he has a pretty fair KO percentage. Chins on a human being, are not much bigger, or smaller...now think of an accurate Aundrey Ward shot to the jaw, compared to a shot from Valuev. Valuev is not a big puncher but there is some difference to which weight contributes. I say this as one who generally does not consider size to be a "be all and end all" in the heavyweight division.

Every fighter is susceptable to the hook when squared up, I have not seen Fury have problems with brawlers but perhaps he does I have not seen all his fights. I do think he has improved considerably over the years in general.

AJ is a live dog against Fury. He has fast hands and good power. AJ is a boxer puncher who also has the power of a big puncher. One thing to consider is AJ may be athletic but his footwork is lacking. He has to learn to cut the ring down, economize his steps, and set the person up. Now...AJ does counterpunch relatively well. its debatable if he can do so against Fury with the reach but it keeps Fury honest knowing he can get caught.

You can never go by sparring to determine who wins in the ring. Whyte is very talented, I don't know who he can beat because he tends to fight up to his level of competition. I would think Fury would be too much for him but with Wilder if attacks at those weird angles he uses, and puts Wilder on his back foot, I would take him against Wilder...Well, let me rephrase that, I would call it a toss up right now.

nobody has really used the blueprint to beat up Wilder...Fury beat him his own way lol. Ortiz showed people what to do: He put Wilder on his heels and attacked him enough to make him think. Wilder will look very ordinary if a guy fights him like Holyfield did Tyson...Holy never let mike push off to punch when they were in contact. Instead of backing off, Holy went forward (drove Tyson nuts lol).

Ill try to take a look at those fights. My inclination is to think Wilder is best handled going into him...Like the way Ruiz pressured AJ. But perhaps his big punch can be avoided.

I respect your point of view on AJ's percieved strategy against Wilder... My own opinion is that to fight a puncher as dangerous as Wilder's right, one has to make sure that when they are hit Wilder is not in optimum position. You see...a puncher's game is all in the numbers. The puncher has to hit you a certain amount of times in the fight and be in position so that when they do, the blow has their weight, speed and accuracy behind it.

Wilder can be losing big, like he was against Fury and find a way to land that punch. So a puncher trains, and sets up to hit an opponent who is trying to avoid the shot right? And then there are traps the puncher will set: like when a boxer puncher starts to imagine they are a pressure fighter and follows the puncher around the ring, instead of cutting the ring off. Or when the opponent gets cute and does not get out of their fast enough, and gets countered.

A really good team and trainer will teach a fighter to go into, smother, and push into, instead of trying to avoid a puncher. The uppercut has to be dealt with, but when you are pushing on the puncher even if he catches you he is not properly grounded to the floor. Watch some of what Ortiz manages against Wilder before he just poops out. Instead of staying midrange, ambush the puncher from across the ring and smother him while picking your spots.

Just my two cents.

[Raggamuffin]

If AJ is a bum, then Fury and Wilder are less than bums hahah. They are both cowards, loudmouths and they have idiotic fans like yourself who are just as bad as Trump fans with their ******ity. The world is tired of Wilder and his excuses as to why he won't fight AJ, Whyte or anybody else good. Same with Fury who has reclassified himself now as a complete clown who fights tomato cans while talking *****. Hate AJ all you want, but when he wins the rematch, I don't want to hear any backtracking. Keep that same energy, a$$clown

Can you actually believe that this numb nut wrote this!!??? Wheretf do you live...in Bizarros world? Lmao. Ill say this, some people people felt sorry for the robot after he lost. But it was as only his fans. The boxing world knew he was a fraud. Hearn is a fraud, you account is a fraud. Everything about this stiff coward is fraudish and boxing doesn't need him. Now he needs boxing and will haven to fight for his life to keep what he has. Which Way Is Up lmao...

[Boksfan]

Successful, outspoken black man like Joshua makes Americans uncomfortable, that's why they hate, they have huge racism problem in America.

[BangEM]

I don't agree about needing "power" in the heavyweight division and Ill tell ya why. I will actually quote the Gypsy King on this one lol. A big man has a certain amount of power from the start. While it is true that most of the pure punchers are not the biggest guys, if we look at Fury for example, he has a pretty fair KO percentage. Chins on a human being, are not much bigger, or smaller...now think of an accurate Aundrey Ward shot to the jaw, compared to a shot from Valuev. Valuev is not a big puncher but there is some difference to which weight contributes. I say this as one who generally does not consider size to be a "be all and end all" in the heavyweight division.

Every fighter is susceptable to the hook when squared up, I have not seen Fury have problems with brawlers but perhaps he does I have not seen all his fights. I do think he has improved considerably over the years in general.

AJ is a live dog against Fury. He has fast hands and good power. AJ is a boxer puncher who also has the power of a big puncher. One thing to consider is AJ may be athletic but his footwork is lacking. He has to learn to cut the ring down, economize his steps, and set the person up. Now...AJ does counterpunch relatively well. its debatable if he can do so against Fury with the reach but it keeps Fury honest knowing he can get caught.

You can never go by sparring to determine who wins in the ring. Whyte is very talented, I don't know who he can beat because he tends to fight up to his level of competition. I would think Fury would be too much for him but with Wilder if attacks at those weird angles he uses, and puts Wilder on his back foot, I would take him against Wilder...Well, let me rephrase that, I would call it a toss up right now.

nobody has really used the blueprint to beat up Wilder...Fury beat him his own way lol. Ortiz showed people what to do: He put Wilder on his heels and attacked him enough to make him think. Wilder will look very ordinary if a guy fights him like Holyfield did Tyson...Holy never let mike push off to punch when they were in contact. Instead of backing off, Holy went forward (drove Tyson nuts lol).

Ill try to take a look at those fights. My inclination is to think Wilder is best handled going into him...Like the way Ruiz pressured AJ. But perhaps his big punch can be avoided.

I respect your point of view on AJ's percieved strategy against Wilder... My own opinion is that to fight a puncher as dangerous as Wilder's right, one has to make sure that when they are hit Wilder is not in optimum position. You see...a puncher's game is all in the numbers. The puncher has to hit you a certain amount of times in the fight and be in position so that when they do, the blow has their weight, speed and accuracy behind it.

Wilder can be losing big, like he was against Fury and find a way to land that punch. So a puncher trains, and sets up to hit an opponent who is trying to avoid the shot right? And then there are traps the puncher will set: like when a boxer puncher starts to imagine they are a pressure fighter and follows the puncher around the ring, instead of cutting the ring off. Or when the opponent gets cute and does not get out of their fast enough, and gets countered.

A really good team and trainer will teach a fighter to go into, smother, and push into, instead of trying to avoid a puncher. The uppercut has to be dealt with, but when you are pushing on the puncher even if he catches you he is not properly grounded to the floor. Watch some of what Ortiz manages against Wilder before he just poops out. Instead of staying midrange, ambush the puncher from across the ring and smother him while picking your spots.

Just my two cents.

This is a great post. It shows you're well versed in boxing and you actually watch the boxers, majority of the clowns on this board. The board would be a better place if posters discussed boxing and stopped parroting crap and propaganda.

I'm not necessarily saying you have to punch like a mule to be a great heavyweight. However, you a respectable amount of power/sting in your punches, to keep opponents honest, else they'll just walk through you and walk you down. And it's the reason why there isn't any pillow-fisted ATG.

Based on what I've seen throughout Fury's career, he doesn't have the power to trouble the elite heavyweights. If he did - he would've knocked Wilder out in the mid rounds of their bout. Just imagine if AJ or Dillian was the one catching Wilder with 1-2 all night, I don't think he would be standing in the 8th rd. And what happened in the 9th and 12th rd wouldn't have happened.

[juggernaut666]

I don't agree about needing "power" in the heavyweight division and Ill tell ya why. I will actually quote the Gypsy King on this one lol. A big man has a certain amount of power from the start. While it is true that most of the pure punchers are not the biggest guys, if we look at Fury for example, he has a pretty fair KO percentage. Chins on a human being, are not much bigger, or smaller...now think of an accurate Aundrey Ward shot to the jaw, compared to a shot from Valuev. Valuev is not a big puncher but there is some difference to which weight contributes. I say this as one who generally does not consider size to be a "be all and end all" in the heavyweight division.

Every fighter is susceptable to the hook when squared up, I have not seen Fury have problems with brawlers but perhaps he does I have not seen all his fights. I do think he has improved considerably over the years in general.

AJ is a live dog against Fury. He has fast hands and good power. AJ is a boxer puncher who also has the power of a big puncher. One thing to consider is AJ may be athletic but his footwork is lacking. He has to learn to cut the ring down, economize his steps, and set the person up. Now...AJ does counterpunch relatively well. its debatable if he can do so against Fury with the reach but it keeps Fury honest knowing he can get caught.

You can never go by sparring to determine who wins in the ring. Whyte is very talented, I don't know who he can beat because he tends to fight up to his level of competition. I would think Fury would be too much for him but with Wilder if attacks at those weird angles he uses, and puts Wilder on his back foot, I would take him against Wilder...Well, let me rephrase that, I would call it a toss up right now.

nobody has really used the blueprint to beat up Wilder...Fury beat him his own way lol. Ortiz showed people what to do: He put Wilder on his heels and attacked him enough to make him think. Wilder will look very ordinary if a guy fights him like Holyfield did Tyson...Holy never let mike push off to punch when they were in contact. Instead of backing off, Holy went forward (drove Tyson nuts lol).

Ill try to take a look at those fights. My inclination is to think Wilder is best handled going into him...Like the way Ruiz pressured AJ. But perhaps his big punch can be avoided.

I respect your point of view on AJ's percieved strategy against Wilder... My own opinion is that to fight a puncher as dangerous as Wilder's right, one has to make sure that when they are hit Wilder is not in optimum position. You see...a puncher's game is all in the numbers. The puncher has to hit you a certain amount of times in the fight and be in position so that when they do, the blow has their weight, speed and accuracy behind it.

Wilder can be losing big, like he was against Fury and find a way to land that punch. So a puncher trains, and sets up to hit an opponent who is trying to avoid the shot right? And then there are traps the puncher will set: like when a boxer puncher starts to imagine they are a pressure fighter and follows the puncher around the ring, instead of cutting the ring off. Or when the opponent gets cute and does not get out of their fast enough, and gets countered.

A really good team and trainer will teach a fighter to go into, smother, and push into, instead of trying to avoid a puncher. The uppercut has to be dealt with, but when you are pushing on the puncher even if he catches you he is not properly grounded to the floor. Watch some of what Ortiz manages against Wilder before he just poops out. Instead of staying midrange, ambush the puncher from across the ring and smother him while picking your spots.

Just my two cents.

The subject of power.

Power is not need but it makes fights WAY easier ,even for less skilled guys ( see Price).

The thing Fury can say that he carries a 85 inch reach and height ,not everyone is Fury though.

Furys commitment to actual power puncher cost him the wilder fight . The FEW hard shots he landed wobbled Wilder if you look closer.


Power in THIS era plays a bigger part them the other ones simply because of big era of hovering HW's and having abilty to keep them off you.


Heres some stats out of my top 50. Not including the top 10 on my list which is an average of 6'5.

Fighters outside my top 10 out of 50

VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

Fighters around 6'0/6'2 : 7

Fighters under 6'3 : 11

Fighters At 6'4 : 5

Fighters over 6'4 :14

Fighters over 6'6 : 9

Fighters over 6'7 : 4

I may have messed the adding here but its close . I haven't looked much at it because im seeing whats what to other eras.


Top guys in 90's over 6'4 were only 8. That's also including the Klitchkos even they were top yet.


This is a real reflection here ,yes power isn't everything but adding the size and all the better understanding of fitness for the big athletic guy really got to hurt these guys ,sttas don't change the heavier opponents have got the less knockout so someone happen . We'll see if this holds true in this era,so far ? Seems to be the case .

Ruiz at 260 or so had survived Joshua .

Fury at 260 plus survived Wilder.

Whyte got by Parker at 255/260 .

These are just nit picks as Wilder knocked out Breazeale but hes a top 3 puncher any where you place him .

(Wilder/Joshua/ Sirenko/DDD / Morrison) for me in any order we haven't got enough fights to gage yet and that kid Conto looks like a thudder to.

big athletic guys are very hard to get out of there ,ive had the most trouble hurting big less skilled ones outweighing me a good 50/100 pounds while fighting st champs with actual skills my own size and wiping them out who were the same weight .

final thing here......

Tallest guy is Ruan Visser 6'10 ( has a low % of being top though )

So yes size doesn't reflect everything but theyre getting to be bigger shadows in there. lol

[Tyistall]

Can you actually believe that this numb nut wrote this!!??? Wheretf do you live...in Bizarros world? Lmao. Ill say this, some people people felt sorry for the robot after he lost. But it was as only his fans. The boxing world knew he was a fraud. Hearn is a fraud, you account is a fraud. Everything about this stiff coward is fraudish and boxing doesn't need him. Now he needs boxing and will haven to fight for his life to keep what he has. Which Way Is Up lmao...

OK ****head, you can go on and on about how I'm wrong, but you won't post any facts. How does that make you right? It doesn't dumbass. Also, if AJ is a coward, then what is Wilder? Because Wilder wouldn't fight him for 120 million or even a billion if offered hahahahahahh. You **** for brains, get over yourself and stop praising your idols Wilder and Fury, they are the real frauds

[Raggamuffin]

OK ****head, you can go on and on about how I'm wrong, but you won't post any facts. How does that make you right?

The world knows that that stiff ***** lowballed Wilder because he didn’t want the fight. We know that the robot didn’t and also Hearn didn’t believe that Wilder could produce 50 mil until Hearn talked to Haymon. All we know is that when it came time to fight Wilder, Joshua *****ed out. Wilder was never going to entertain any Joshua offers after that, and went his own route. Look at them now you sniveling moron.