Comments Thread For: We Can't Know 'The Truth' About Errol Spence Until We See Him Fight Danny Garcia

[Ray*]

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You are telling us Bud can’t call out Spence, Porter or Garcia?
Bud is widely considered to be the #1 P4P guy on the planet yet he lines up guys like Khan, Brook and guys we barely know.
He is in record lately talking about he’s ok not fighting Spence and his career is fine.

Again if you want him to find better opponents then let one of his competitors step up. No point is talking about a problem, speak about the solutions too.

We already know he offered Danny Garcia 3m in 2018 and that was turned down not because the money isn’t good enough or there isn’t a belt on the line but because “Why does he want to fight PBC boxers” (From Angel Garcia).

Keith Thurman wasn’t that interested, and when he was after losing his belts he wanted more money than he made in a Pac-Man fight.

Whilst we all know Spence said he would fight him if he gets that belt against Horn, after that it was “The other side of the street”

Porter on his own podcast hasn’t changed his mind, if it happens it happens. That’s according to him. Both have said in the past that they are best mates so they would sit down and talk about that.... Porter is the mandatory so hopefully he would pursue that belt if he wants to.

Not sure why you brought Mayweather up, but am a Mayweather fan and there is nothing you know about the man that I don’t know when it comes to his ring generalship and defending him on here. You obviously don’t know me mate.

[Oregonian]

Again if you want him to find better opponents then let one of his competitors step up. No point is talking about a problem, speak about the solutions too.

We already know he offered Danny Garcia 3m in 2018 and that was turned down not because the money isn’t good enough or there isn’t a belt on the line but because “Why does he want to fight PBC boxers” (From Angel Garcia).

Whilst we all know Spence said he would fight him if he gets that belt against Horn, after that it was “The other side of the street”

Porter on his own podcast hasn’t changed his mind, if it happens it happens. That’s according to him. Both have said in the past that they are best mates so they would sit down and talk about that.... Porter is the mandatory so hopefully he would pursue that belt if he wants to.

Not sure why you brought Mayweather up, but am a Mayweather fan and there is nothing you know about the man that I don’t know when it comes to his ring generalship and defending him on here. You obviously don’t know me mate.

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I only brought up Mayweather because false ducking accusations have been heaped on him for a long time.
I don’t believe Floyd ducked anyone and if fights didn’t happen, it’s because there were certain mitigating factors (Bob Arum specifically) that caused those fights not to happen.

In the case of Crawford, he’s not the superstar Floyd was and he certainly does not have half the record Floyd has so him saying he doesn’t need Spence is just an idiotic stance.
Crawford needs a career defining fight at 147 to be considered a HoF boxer.

To an ATG, he must fight the top guys at 147 and beat them. He’s 33 years old. He has a short window of time. Two years at best.
Whatever excuses that were given two years ago are moot.
Spence, Garcia, Thurman and Porter are all available.

[Monzon99]

More pbc propaganda. We won't know the truth about spenceweather until he faces Crawford. Don't expect Idec to write any pressure on spenceweather to face Crawford. that subject is off limits.

[Ray*]

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I only brought up Mayweather because false ducking accusations have been heaped on him for a long time.
I don’t believe Floyd ducked anyone and if fights didn’t happen, it’s because there were certain mitigating factors (Bob Arum specifically) that caused those fights not to happen.

In the case of Crawford, he’s not the superstar Floyd was and he certainly does not have half the record Floyd has so him saying he doesn’t need Spence is just an idiotic stance.
Crawford needs a career defining fight at 147 to be considered a HoF boxer.

To an ATG, he must fight the top guys at 147 and beat them. He’s 33 years old. He has a short window of time. Two years at best.
Whatever excuses that were given two years ago are moot.
Spence, Garcia, Thurman and Porter are all available.

Agreed re Mayweather, hence why I have heated discussions with anyone in that regards. Bud is not Mayweather and no one has ever claimed he is.

Bud might be the number P4P best at the moment but the situation isn’t that simple. His competitors are not available like you claimed. Go listen to Bill Wagner’s interview with Chris Mannix this week and then maybe your opinion would be straight on.

Even Dan Raphael is critical of PBC/FOX, they have zero intention of putting their 147 fighters in there against Bud. Their chief executive claimed they don’t recognise Crawford, Straight up!!!

ESPN are promoting Spence/Garcia and interviewing Spence, guess what FOX are doing? Pretending Crawford isn’t a champion and he doesn’t exist.

So you claiming they are available is pretty much false. Porter is his mandatory, Garcia was offered 3m and they are told they don’t even want to negotiate, Thurman wanted 10m when he doesn’t even make quarter of that amount against Pacman. Whoever? Spence? Side of the street......

And fans want to complain about YouTube/celebrity fights. They see a gap that real boxer left open. As a boxing fan you should be asking those guys to come to the table and take that belt off Bud.... But you using the same convenient excuse that all of them posters on here uses (Oh he fought binmen)...... Great let’s hope Spence/Garcia winner call him out after fight night right?

[Oregonian]

Agreed re Mayweather, hence why I have heated discussions with anyone in that regards. Bud is not Mayweather and no one has ever claimed he is.

Bud might be the number P4P best at the moment but the situation isn’t that simple. His competitors are not available like you claimed. Go listen to Bill Wagner’s interview with Chris Mannix this week and then maybe your opinion would be straight on.

Even Dan Raphael is critical of PBC/FOX, they have zero intention of putting their 147 fighters in there against Bud. Their chief executive claimed they don’t recognise Crawford, Straight up!!!

So you claiming they are available is pretty much false. Porter is his mandatory, Garcia was offered 3m and they are told they don’t even want to negotiate, Thurman wanted 10m when he doesn’t even make quarter of that amount against Pacman. Whoever? Spence? Side of the street......

And fans want to complain about YouTube/celebrity fights. They see a gap that real boxer left open. As a boxing fan you should be asking those guys to come to the table and take that belt off Bud.... But you using the same convenient excuse that all of them posters on here uses (Oh he fought binmen)...... Great let’s hope Spence/Garcia winner call him out after fight night right?

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I can’t say I know a lot of inside info but I will listen to the guys you mentioned.
If Porter is Bud’s mandatory, that’s a fight that I’m excited for. Porter has the tools to beat Bud. I’m not saying he beats but the Porter that went to hell and back with Spence is very capable of taking Bud’s undefeated moniker.

[Boxingfanatic75]

Considering he's gonna continue to duck Bud, his condition is absolutely irrelevant, just like this fight. If there was anything wrong with him, they wouldn't be using this car crash to promote it.

Doesn’t look like anything was wrong with him as much as you wished for there to be.

[Oregonian]

Agreed re Mayweather, hence why I have heated discussions with anyone in that regards. Bud is not Mayweather and no one has ever claimed he is.

Bud might be the number P4P best at the moment but the situation isn’t that simple. His competitors are not available like you claimed. Go listen to Bill Wagner’s interview with Chris Mannix this week and then maybe your opinion would be straight on.

Even Dan Raphael is critical of PBC/FOX, they have zero intention of putting their 147 fighters in there against Bud. Their chief executive claimed they don’t recognise Crawford, Straight up!!!

ESPN are promoting Spence/Garcia and interviewing Spence, guess what FOX are doing? Pretending Crawford isn’t a champion and he doesn’t exist.

So you claiming they are available is pretty much false. Porter is his mandatory, Garcia was offered 3m and they are told they don’t even want to negotiate, Thurman wanted 10m when he doesn’t even make quarter of that amount against Pacman. Whoever? Spence? Side of the street......

And fans want to complain about YouTube/celebrity fights. They see a gap that real boxer left open. As a boxing fan you should be asking those guys to come to the table and take that belt off Bud.... But you using the same convenient excuse that all of them posters on here uses (Oh he fought binmen)...... Great let’s hope Spence/Garcia winner call him out after fight night right?

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I hope you watched the Spence-Garcia fight.
If the fight can be made, do you think Bud beats Spence?

[Ray*]

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I hope you watched the Spence-Garcia fight.
If the fight can be made, do you think Bud beats Spence?

No am going with Spence not just because am a fan of his but because he is now living the life. To beat Bud IMHO you need to live that life, and that car accident has woken Spence up, instead of coming to camp at 190 he came almost physically fit already.

This fight can be the Ray Leonard v Hearn fight for our generation but I know it isn’t happening. So no point going too deep or excited about it. It’s not that the boxers don’t want it, it’s more the top people from PBC/FOX don’t want it.

[BodyBagz]

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