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[BigZ44]

Only now am I realizing Roy Hodgson is the greatest manager in the history of football Turning dead and gone bums like Mateta and Ayew into straight killers. Don't let that man retire, give him an extension until he croaks, get a sample of his DNA and clone him so when the old one dies a young Roy takes over. Roy forever

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If Lampard lost every single match.

He would STILL have a higher win % as Chelsea manager than Potter.

Both probably arent very good but Lampard is likely a better manager especially of Chelsea. In the sense he knows what Chelsea are about and what the standard should be even if he couldn't reach it.

That said 4th and FA Cup final handing 8 debuts to academy players under a transfer ban is a good season.

Re Mount. He's had a bad season but he's still better than most of our players. Simply because most of them have very little intangibles.

I don't want Mount to go.

Footy isnt always about talent it is about what your presence on a pitch can do for the rest of them.

someone like Havertz really lacks basic grit. Could he be in a great side?

No.

Could someone like Mount? Possibly.

It is why not just Lampard but any good manager will play him if fit. If Mount is available Liverpool, Man City, Man U and probably Bayern Munich will want him

Inb4 Havertz wins everything with Bayern Munich and Mount goes like Dele.

[Sparked_26]

Havertz is an enigma because there is something there but it rarely comes out. But he has no idea how to impact a game if he isn't playing well.

Now with absolutely no hyperbole most men or freakishly tall women that size will win a few headed duels in 90 minutes. Purely because the ball will he closer to them and they have two functioning legs and head atop their neck.

He's scared of getting hurt or he doesn't see the value in challenging.

Basically he doesn't compete is what I think.

He is not a competitive person.

But maddeningly as a front post defensive header he does a good job.

I really doubt a top team could use Havertz in a dominant team other than as a squad man. I mean Chelsea are terrible and he's not good enough for our first team.

Better strikers or better no 10's and ultimately more robust people play in real top teams.

I am hoping Bayern get him just because German talent is so sparse. But 0% of me thinks he will be a worldie.

I hoped he would be like Berbatov. At his best he can look like that on the field but ultimately he isn't as good at football as someone like that. Never mind the intangibles of being cool in front of goal or wanting to win.

Chelsea are probably terrified of losing another KdB. Havertz has been there 3 seasons now. He's an okay player who has no confidence in himself.

Mount has had a poor season but he is a good player and a more robust person. We will see with him. I expect him to punish Chelsea if sold.

I don't actually think Havertz is a particularly good player anymore. The data set at this point says he is the 25th highest goalscorer in the league despite leading the line all season. That needn't be the be all and end all but...

Football is a really simple game no matter how complex players like Havertz, Felix and Kovacic can make it seem.

You don't always have to score goals but what you must do is effect your opponent so others can do it.

Drogba in his prime only scored over 12 league goals 3 times for Chelsea.

But he scored in finals. He scored winners. He worked defenders hard.

Havertz at this point should take pride in being a decent defensive header from corners and build from there. He is crap at everything else currently.

[Sparked_26]

On another point, well, probably as a result of how bizarrely dreadful Chelsea forwards are.

There is a player in the conference playing for Notts County. Langstaff. At 26 years old he has scored 41 goals in 42 matches (not pens). The previous season he scored 31.

In the last two seasons he has played a massive 87 games. Therefore sustaining no injuries whilst likely getting kicked week in week out.

Now I watch this level of footy a bit. The defending is largely robust but centre backs can lack pace and sharpness that good defenders have.

Never the less. These teams are largely professional now and fit.

Realistically someone like him should be interesting premier league sides.

Seems odd to me thar in the modern era it doesn't happen and especially with strikers because there is no risk at all. They can either replicate that or they can't.

A lot of them can - see Ian Wright, see Jamie Vardy. Goal scoring is pure habit.

[siablo14]

Szef talk to me, man. What you on today?

[siablo14]

Man City - Bayern BTTS at 1.70 is a go.

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Havertz is a brilliant player marred by Chelsea improper use of him.

He's tall so Tuchel and Potter (who only played him there because Tuchel did) played him as a striker.

He's not a striker. He grew up midfielder, got his 'generational talent' tag playing midfielder, came to Chelsea as a midfielder. Was even called "the next Zidane"

Yet Chelsea goes... "yes! we've found our striker!"

Makes no sense. Even now, pockets of the fan base on the internet dream about Nkunku who is.... a striker(!) as a potential center attacking midfielder. Juan Mata basically.

So, nah. If Chelsea sold Havertz, I wouldn't be surprised if he is another KdB, Salah, even Lukaku.

Mount on the other hand?

I always saw him as a Dele Ali. He's even gone the way of Dele so much that he fell off a cliff in form and footballing ability at the same exact age that Mourinho told Dele "time flies".

[Sparked_26]

Havertz is a brilliant player marred by Chelsea improper use of him.

He's tall so Tuchel and Potter (who only played him there because Tuchel did) played him as a striker.

He's not a striker. He grew up midfielder, got his 'generational talent' tag playing midfielder, came to Chelsea as a midfielder. Was even called "the next Zidane"

Yet Chelsea goes... "yes! we've found our striker!"

Makes no sense. Even now, pockets of the fan base on the internet dream about Nkunku who is.... a striker(!) as a potential center attacking midfielder. Juan Mata basically.

So, nah. If Chelsea sold Havertz, I wouldn't be surprised if he is another KdB, Salah, even Lukaku.

Mount on the other hand?

I always saw him as a Dele Ali. He's even gone the way of Dele so much that he fell off a cliff in form and footballing ability at the same exact age that Mourinho told Dele "time flies".

What is Havertz good at?

Currently it is clearing a ball sometimes from the front post when defending a corner because that is really all he offers right now.

He's defo not a brilliant player.

He has nice technique to a point because currently he has no confidence.

His balance isnt good. He's not strong enough. He's not an inventive passer, he can't strike a ball cleanly, and he hasn't got a good engine.

He is quite quick albeit he never uses his speed.

I was hopeful for Havertz but no.

If the hope he could be a 3rd man in midfield. He cant because he cant get up and down. Just look at how many fouls he commits lazily going into the back of players. 'Helping out'.

We disagree here on both players.

Havertz is in the wrong league probably but also he's not very good

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Would you play a midfielder as a striker?

I reserve judgement on Havertz until he plays his actual position. At the very least, he is a second striker but nope, Chelsea puts him CF.

When he's most likely a Thomas Muller style player. Who also isn't a striker despite being shoe horned in at CF many times for club and country and tends to play worse when doing so.

Hell, Potter put Joao Felix.. and actual CF as an attacking midfielder while playing the attacking midfielder (because he's tall) as a striker. It makes no sense. Even Tuchel bought Sterling to replace Lukaku as a CF. Absolute nonsensical decision making.

Mount does a lot of work. He's a good guy (or it appears to be so) but all signs point to him not being very good.

He had potential but it's practically dried up at this point with the pandering Lampard and Tuchel gave him, literally no development between Chelsea debut to now. Not a better passer, not a better scorer, not a better tackler, his legs are starting to lose a step. It's a shame because of his talent but he was brought through all wrong; coached all wrong.

Don't get me wrong though. No doubt if he went to Liverpool or City, two coaches that know what they are doing would bring the best out of him. But guess how? It won't be by pandering to him and tossing out all logic in game planning to get Mount being the #1 guy.

[F l i c k e r]

No mason mount astounds me.

gonna see how frank handles the spaniards.