Langford vs Greb

[JAB5239]

A guest here today who has several boxing sites I belong to believes unequivically that Greb was the dirtiest fighter of them all .
In reply I said was he as dirty as PO Curran who was dsq'd 13 times?

Was he as dirty as Fred Russell who kneed Johnson 3 times in one fight?

Jim Flynn who practised his head butts,?

Was he as dirty as Fritzie Zivic?

Kid Norfolk who permanently injured Greb's eye?

Max Baer who often employed the back hander?
Carl Morris who was cynically dirty?
Fred Hennebury the Aussie fighter who seemed unable to control his temper?

Another temper dirty fighter was Tom Sharkey.
God knows how many fouls Marciano committed in the ring.

Paul Gallico sparred with Dempsey,Jack was taking it easy on him Gallico said ,but Dempsey still rabbit punched his a few times,as though it was, "force of habit"

Tunney complained that Dempsey rabbit punched him several times,I don't recall him ever saying Greb fouled him.

It's all relative imo

Great points!! I think people jump on the "Greb was dirtiest"train because they've heard or read it. When in fact there have been enty of dirty fighters you can see or prove were intentionally dirty. Greb fouled, only a fool would say otherwise. But I'll say this over and over.....I'll take the words of the men who foughthim over the words of anyone else.

[Dr. Z]

A guest here today who has several boxing sites I belong to believes unequivically that Greb was the dirtiest fighter of them all .
In reply I said was he as dirty as PO Curran who was dsq'd 13 times?

Was he as dirty as Fred Russell who kneed Johnson 3 times in one fight?

Jim Flynn who practised his head butts,?

Was he as dirty as Fritzie Zivic?

Kid Norfolk who permanently injured Greb's eye?

Max Baer who often employed the back hander?
Carl Morris who was cynically dirty?
Fred Hennebury the Aussie fighter who seemed unable to control his temper?

Another temper dirty fighter was Tom Sharkey.
God knows how many fouls Marciano committed in the ring.

Paul Gallico sparred with Dempsey,Jack was taking it easy on him Gallico said ,but Dempsey still rabbit punched his a few times,as though it was, "force of habit"

Tunney complained that Dempsey rabbit punched him several times,I don't recall him ever saying Greb fouled him.

It's all relative imo

Yet you said this! And I quote:

Greb and Zivic probably take the biscuit,at the startr of Grebs first fight with Tunney Harry smashed his forehead onto Gene's nose breaking it,Greb used his thumbs *******ly too,it was a case of "the biter bit "when he fought KId Norfolk ,Norfolk thumbed him so bad he lost the sight of one eye.

Not all us are banned form these websites Usually I have to pay for this type of entertaiment.

[JAB5239]

Well proving intention without film can be done IF they are reported fouls by the writers and historians! We all can read and do research. If they happen often enough it's not an accident. I will showed you what Tunney's corner said about the head butts and reported multiple fouls in a press report, in point blank range. You'll have to accept that as fact. Your are not a big Greb fan are you? Do you deny that he used multiple fouls in various fights are you? That is the line you must draw for yourself.

What is this "line you must draw" crap? You can show me what Tunneys corner says, theyre biased for their man. I can show you what Tunney himself said. So why is it I have to accept the words of Tunneys corner as fact, but not the word of Tunney, Loughran or Gibbons? Are you calling these men liars??

“I wouldn’t say he was dirty so much as he was expedient. He was so eager to get the damage done that his head and shoulders went with a punch. He was a fast and furious man. Chuck Wiggins however, was a real dirty fighter, a reckless character. He didn’t care what he did.”

“He has been criticized considerably lately for his ring performances. I attribute that largely to the peculiar style he uses and not any deliberate intent to foul.” Would Mike’s brother Tommy Gibbons shake the hand of a “dirty” fighter?
“I categorically state that Harry Greb was not a foul fighter. In my first fight with him my nose was broken. My seconds said that Greb butted me with his head. This I do not accept as factual; and if his head was the weapon, rather than his fists, my head should not have been where it was.”

[JAB5239]

"If Greb was dirty, how come he doesn't have a lot of DQ's on his record?

I think very active fighters get a pass if they land a foul blow every now and then can partly be blamed on their style, and their opponents tendencies."

. -Mendoza, February 20, 2010

Hmmmmm, I wonder who that Mendoza guy is? He really seems to know what he talking about and is in full agreement with me.

[QueensburyRules]

I was shocked when I finally saw Armstrong fight. He was using his head to push his opponent off balance. Kept his head right on top of his opponent the entire time. Not actually butting but certainly using it to gain advantage. Not sure if that would fly today.

- - Open to a good uppercutter the immediate solution.

Lord help boxing if a fighter can't fight inside anymore with heads on chests and shoulders.

[Dr. Z]

What is this "line you must draw" crap? You can show me what Tunneys corner says, theyre biased for their man. I can show you what Tunney himself said. So why is it I have to accept the words of Tunneys corner as fact, but not the word of Tunney, Loughran or Gibbons? Are you calling these men liars??

“I wouldn’t say he was dirty so much as he was expedient. He was so eager to get the damage done that his head and shoulders went with a punch. He was a fast and furious man. Chuck Wiggins however, was a real dirty fighter, a reckless character. He didn’t care what he did.”

“He has been criticized considerably lately for his ring performances. I attribute that largely to the peculiar style he uses and not any deliberate intent to foul.” Would Mike’s brother Tommy Gibbons shake the hand of a “dirty” fighter?
“I categorically state that Harry Greb was not a foul fighter. In my first fight with him my nose was broken. My seconds said that Greb butted me with his head. This I do not accept as factual; and if his head was the weapon, rather than his fists, my head should not have been where it was.”

At the end of the 8th round the ref threaten to stop the it and at the end of the 12th he threaten to DQ Gerb



Good run, more later.

[JAB5239]

At the end of the 8th round the ref threaten to stop the it and at the end of the 12th he threaten to DQ Gerb



Good run, more later.

Are you basing your whole argument on two warnings in 5 fights? Even after Tunney said “I categorically state that Harry Greb was not a foul fighter."?

You know his style sounds very much how that Mendoza guy described him.

[Willie Pep 229]

A guest here today who has several boxing sites I belong to believes unequivically that Greb was the dirtiest fighter of them all .
In reply I said was he as dirty as PO Curran who was dsq'd 13 times?

Was he as dirty as Fred Russell who kneed Johnson 3 times in one fight?

Jim Flynn who practised his head butts,?

Was he as dirty as Fritzie Zivic?

Kid Norfolk who permanently injured Greb's eye?

Max Baer who often employed the back hander?
Carl Morris who was cynically dirty?
Fred Hennebury the Aussie fighter who seemed unable to control his temper?

Another temper dirty fighter was Tom Sharkey.
God knows how many fouls Marciano committed in the ring.

Paul Gallico sparred with Dempsey,Jack was taking it easy on him Gallico said ,but Dempsey still rabbit punched his a few times,as though it was, "force of habit"

Tunney complained that Dempsey rabbit punched him several times,I don't recall him ever saying Greb fouled him.

It's all relative imo

I read a strange newspaper article some time back where Willard and Dempsey agreed that rabbit punches were OK but that kidney punches were not.

I thought it a strange agreement for them to reach before their fight. Of course it would have been hard for Willard not to land a few rabbit punches considering his size and Dempsey's in-out style.

[Willie Pep 229]

What is this "line you must draw" crap? You can show me what Tunneys corner says, theyre biased for their man. I can show you what Tunney himself said. So why is it I have to accept the words of Tunneys corner as fact, but not the word of Tunney, Loughran or Gibbons? Are you calling these men liars??

“I wouldn’t say he was dirty so much as he was expedient. He was so eager to get the damage done that his head and shoulders went with a punch. He was a fast and furious man. Chuck Wiggins however, was a real dirty fighter, a reckless character. He didn’t care what he did.”

“He has been criticized considerably lately for his ring performances. I attribute that largely to the peculiar style he uses and not any deliberate intent to foul.” Would Mike’s brother Tommy Gibbons shake the hand of a “dirty” fighter?
“I categorically state that Harry Greb was not a foul fighter. In my first fight with him my nose was broken. My seconds said that Greb butted me with his head. This I do not accept as factual; and if his head was the weapon, rather than his fists, my head should not have been where it was.”

Do you think the guy on the right could look anymore Irish? Lol

[JAB5239]

Do you think the guy on the right could look anymore Irish? Lol

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