Would Marciano be too small for today's heavyweight division ?

[QueensburyRules]

I meant Frazier being more versatile than Marciano was a dubious statement. Frazier’s fighting style consisted of 2 things- going straight for the opponent and throwing the left hook.

Liston was his best at 204 pounds and Ibeabuchi at 245.

- -Sonny at 204 when Little Monte Marshall broke his jaw, hardly his prime or best weight.

More like 210-15

[Anthony342]

If you go a bit North of Vegas and complain about illegal aliens, you might encounter the ire of a Little Green man.

Did you say Marciano threw crosses from his ears? That's interesting because wrestler Roddy Piper did this in his scripted matches in the WWF and I've heard that he had some amateur boxing experience in the past, which is what gave Vince McMahon the idea to do a staged boxing match between Piper and Mr. T at Wrestlemania 2. I believe T also had some boxing experience in toughman tournaments no?

[billeau2]

Did you say Marciano threw crosses from his ears? That's interesting because wrestler Roddy Piper did this in his scripted matches in the WWF and I've heard that he had some amateur boxing experience in the past, which is what gave Vince McMahon the idea to do a staged boxing match between Piper and Mr. T at Wrestlemania 2. I believe T also had some boxing experience in toughman tournaments no?

The Suzy Q looks like a baseball throw. I don't know about Mr T but Piper was an interesting guy.

[Luilun]

Back in them days boxers weigh in the day of the fight . His weight was 185 so I would suggest he would be a Light Heavy or even a Super Middleweight since some weight bullies come in 20 pounds heavier than their weight class on fight night

[elfag]

Bombsquad and Fury beat his 180lb ass. Bombsquad knocks him clean cold in the 2nd round. Fury toys with him and tosses him around like a rag doll until putting him out in the 6th.

AJ's glass china jaw couldnt take a 180lb marciano punch though thats for sure. AJ would run all night but Marciano would probably catch him and put him to sleep. That jaw is pure glass.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Need to rename this section as I see little history being discussed.

[billeau2]

- -Need to rename this section as I see little history being discussed.

We need a remedial section always felt that way.

[Dempsey19]

I don't think you understand my point about the weight... When you look at a survey for example and it says "the average American has 2.5 kids"... Or another example, The Biblical judge Solomon would not tell a distraught separated mother and father that they should "divide the kid in half."

The point Tunney was making and my point is that there is a limit to how much extra weight benefits a fighter in professional prize fighting. I doubt Ibuechi was 240 at his best but assuming he was, if you look at his actual size he is the perfect size and build for a heavyweight. Liston, more because of great reach, is also the perfect build and size for a heavyweight.

So lets take your numbers... Liston at 204 (that does sound about right) and Ibuechi at 240 (I question this) and use them as a range for the weight of an archetypical heavyweight... That means any guy weighing in at between these two numbers would fit the bill. It still makes sense about the weight. How that weight gets distributed is the other issue and if we look at Liston and Ibeuchi imo we get a good picture of how it would best be distributed as well.

So again, a perfect heavyweight fighting machine, built by the Gods themselves... I Would say between 210 (204 works) to 240 pounds, probably weighing in at around 220 or so... With no extra weight, but with weight accorded by size of neck, shoulders, and trunk strength (think the shoulders of Baer), or weight afforded by extra reach, (think Liston). Remember also that to have fast feet the weight will start affecting the legs past a certain point.

I disgree about Frazier and Marciano. But keep in mind that my point is not that Frazier would beat, or was better than Marciano. Floyd Patterson had more skill sets utilized in a conventional sense than both of them and never reached the heights of either of them.

Frazier at his best could time an opponent, had excellent head movements, a left hook, jab etc. Frazier also had faster feet. Marciano used an approach depending on being relentless and hitting heavy handed...Both men countered well, and had good underrated defensive capabilities. In the end Marciano was imo more relentless than even Smokin' Joe was, Marciano also had a unique method of wearing his opponent down with crushing shots. Something Goldman taught him when he saw that marciano had been a catcher.

I put Marciano above Frazier when we consider who was the more accomplished fighter. Sometimes it is more impressive to do a few things excellent than doing more things really well. That is unless one is Sugar Ray Robinson.

The perfect blueprint of a fighter could easily be a faster and more skilled Marciano who didn't cut as easily.

Marciano was very physically gifted, he was a Deontay Wilder to Mike Tyson's Anthony Joshua in terms of physique.

His physique won't look as good on a beach or be as attractive to the fairer *** as Tyson's but it is certainly better suited for the sport of boxing much like is the case with Wilder's physique compared to Joshua's.

[billeau2]

The perfect blueprint of a fighter could easily be a faster and more skilled Marciano who didn't cut as easily.

Marciano was very physically gifted, he was a Deontay Wilder to Mike Tyson's Anthony Joshua in terms of physique.

His physique won't look as good on a beach or be as attractive to the fairer *** as Tyson's but it is certainly better suited for the sport of boxing much like is the case with Wilder's physique compared to Joshua's.

We both think Marciano was incredible in what he was able to accomplish, I just think of it in different terms. Maybe "blueprint" is not the right term to use, what if I say "look." Marciano was so good to me that he took his unique gifts and made them into a way of boxing with the help of Goldman.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Rocky a legend before turning pro, sorta like Dempsey. That he absorbed the science of boxing a testimony to his mindset.